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Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by Ntrails » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 11:52 AM UTC

hbhakhra wrote: post #231

hackuser wrote: post #150

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> The idea that boys need exposure to women before adulthood, with the exception of their mother, is a relatively modern one. The extent to which the modern west mixes the sexes through education and other social activities is unprecedented, so the Middle East is not nearly alone in this respect. That's true, but if the prosperity and peace of the modern west also are relatively modern and unusual, perhaps the exposu…

There have been so many factors that have changed in relatively modern times, that this is one time to say correlation doesn't equal causation.

But we certainly shouldn't discount the possibility that there is a causal link.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by DanBC » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 12:07 PM UTC

juliangregorian wrote: post #308

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Sources?

Fine, but learn to Google http://www.dailypaul.com/327703/somewhat-disturbing-map-of-f... http://www.rferl.org/contentinfographics/foreign-fighters-sy...

When you make an argument it's a good thing if you provide the sources you're using. That way you check your own biases; other people know if you're just cherry-picking or if you're being misled by faulty sources.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by LyndsySimon » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 1:36 PM UTC

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #194

fecklessyouth wrote: post #67

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The idea that boys need exposure to women before adulthood, with the exception of their mother, is a relatively modern one. The extent to which the modern west mixes the sexes through education and other social activities is unprecedented, so the Middle East is not nearly alone in this respect. Of course, things change in adulthood, and if young Middle Eastern men who would normally be entering stable relationships w…

The major restraining factor on young men in a village or tribal setting was always the rest of the village. When the demographics became unbalanced (war, famine) then young gangs were always to be feared (Peter Pans lost boys would not have been cute) We are fortunate in having overcome hunger in 4/5ths of the world - but it has left a lot of time on people's hands compared to a hunter gather lifestyle and a lot of…

One thing that was striking to me was the map showing the male:female ratio among the black population in the US. Without using any actual statistical tools, it's apparent that areas with a higher black population also have fewer men for every woman.

See this map: http://www.censusscope.org/us/map_nhblack.gif

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by fweespeech » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 1:40 PM UTC

qiqing wrote: post #258

fweespeech wrote: post #79

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The Chinese engage in cyber-espionage operations against their "peaceful" trading partners, rattle sabers over Taiwan and various islands, and so forth. http://articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/10/opinion/la-oe-schmit... They used to talk about a "Peaceful Rise" and had for a very long time. They stopped.

What do they say about glass houses and the NSA?

I was stating the statement about the trend was incorrect.

Factual statements isn't throwing stones. The "Peaceful Rise" propaganda/party line really did stop awhile ago.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by panglott » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 2:02 PM UTC

hackuser wrote: post #150

fecklessyouth wrote: post #67

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The idea that boys need exposure to women before adulthood, with the exception of their mother, is a relatively modern one. The extent to which the modern west mixes the sexes through education and other social activities is unprecedented, so the Middle East is not nearly alone in this respect. Of course, things change in adulthood, and if young Middle Eastern men who would normally be entering stable relationships w…

> The idea that boys need exposure to women before adulthood, with the exception of their mother, is a relatively modern one. The extent to which the modern west mixes the sexes through education and other social activities is unprecedented, so the Middle East is not nearly alone in this respect. That's true, but if the prosperity and peace of the modern west also are relatively modern and unusual, perhaps the exposu…

At the same time, it seems like marriage is much more costly and difficult for men to achieve in much of the Middle East/South Asia. So you still have a larger population of unmarried men without many marriage prospects.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by panglott » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 2:05 PM UTC

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #318

fecklessyouth wrote: post #250

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"Is Marriage for White People?" attempts to answer that question. As I remember it, the main answer was that black women don't want to date outside their race. http://www.amazon.com/Is-Marriage-White-People-American/dp/B...

But - why ? Because their fathers were black and so they associate positive feeling with that colour? Why skin colour? Why not height or body type or behaviour? What about social pressure (you are a "race traitor" fords ting non blacks). Is it an anti white thing? Is the proportion of Hispanic dating higher? What about comparing across cultures - is the incidence of dating cross race lower than in say the UK? The fac…

Race is simply a salient category in American life, that shapes people's social experiences in a wide variety of ways.

It's also pretty ordinary for people to prefer mates that have a broadly similar life experience and perspective as themselves. It's easier to sustain a relationship when you have more common ground.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by kaa2102 » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 2:09 PM UTC

im3w1l wrote: post #241

kaa2102 wrote: post #20

I'm a Black Man. Growing up there was a realization that being alive and out of trouble over the age of 21 was an accomplishment. This would extend to middle class. Due to a history of American apartheid, there were often just a few degrees of separation between middle class and working/poor class kin.

I hope you don't mind me asking you this. I've had this idea, that I think may make the situation better. They idea is that in black-on-black, as well as victimless crimes, the defendant is allowed to be judged by a jury of black people. Then the black community can decide for itself what punishments are best for the community, and could give more lenient punishments if the current ones are seen as harsh enough to be…

Interesting point. A fraternity brother of mine was in a documentary called Gideon's Promise. The tragedy is that many of the people that get incarcerated never make it to court. The accused end up with underfunded, overburdened public attorneys They might end up taking a very bad plea deal.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by panglott » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 2:10 PM UTC

itsybitsy wrote: post #230

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Not exactly highbrow research, but OkCupid has an interesting post indicating that black women are less likely to get replies in their online dating service: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-...

The OkCupid research shouldn't be presented as some universal scientific fact. It doesn't account for socioeconomic backgrounds for one, nor does it account for country of origin. Having lived in Africa, Europe and the US, it's clear that interracial dating carries much more historical baggage in the US than it does in Europe and Africa. It's also probably clear to most people in the US, that acceptance of interracia…

The OKCupid analyis is based on US dating data...right? Why would anyone try to analogize that to universal human behavior, rather than taking it as a description of the situation in the US?

"Race" is a culture-specific category.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by panglott » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 2:20 PM UTC

benjaminmhaley wrote: post #268

dmix wrote: post #13

> The black women left behind find that potential partners of the same race are scarce, while men, who face an abundant supply of potential mates, don’t need to compete as hard to find one. As a result, Mr. Charles said, “men seem less likely to commit to romantic relationships, or to work hard to maintain them.” Interesting, I never thought about this side-effect of mass incarceration. Another aggravating factor in…

> why many middle eastern countries generate so many young angry jihadists This is akin to wondering why Europeans generated so many young angry crusaders. The term jihadists denotes a religion and a region. Its associated with Middle Eastern countries by definition. Angry young militants from other religions and regions are given different names. If we look at objective measurements of violence, like murder rate by…

Yes, but why Europe produced so many angry young crusaders is also an interesting question that touches on gender and family issues. IIRC the Norman practice of dividing an estate among all surviving sons led, after a few generations, to large populations of land-hungry armed horsemen on tiny estates. Thus the Normans exported mercenary and conquering armies all over Europe, starting with England through the Crusades.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by innguest » Tue, Apr 21, 2015, 2:23 PM UTC

burkaman wrote: post #315

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>You have to acknowledge race in order to fight the racists of the world. // Can you give a solid example? I can't see how labelling someone "race X" allows you to fight against unequal opportunities or other discrimination or prejudice.

I mean that you need to acknowledge the concept of race. Say you're facing a 10% unemployment rate in some city. If you treat everyone as an equal individual, the solution will be some combination of economic changes, lowering taxes, increasing subsidies, whatever. Now imagine 90% of the unemployed are black, in a city where blacks are the minority. Clearly there is more than an economic problem here. Promoting indiv…

You seem to only be able to think from the perspective of central planning. I invite you to stop invoking this earthly "god" and give people a chance.

Can you give me an example of how a town where 90% of the unemployed are black could possibly come into being in the free market where voluntary trade and contracts are enforced by the governments courts (and there are no group-membership based laws)?

I'll give you the beginning. Once upon a time there was a town where all sorts of races lived in (no one bothered to count because these people learned the lessons of Nazis using Dutch records to kill Jews and they didn't want that again). Then you fill in the blanks, then all of a sudden without government interference in the market, 90% of the unemployed are black.

I eagerly await your reply.