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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by jchrisa »

tokenizerrr wrote: post #300
jchrisa wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The non-sketchy version of this would only accept tips for repos that had a bitcoin address committed to a well-known location in their repo. And it would send the tips directly to that address. No possibility of scamming, and opt-in by its nature. Is there already something like this?

That seems to go against the idea of tip4commit, the idea is that contributors (through pull requests etc) can be compensated as well automatically. Same if there's multiple contributors to a project the compensation is split between them based on the amount of commits they make.

Maybe the better solution would be to look for Bitcoin wallet addresses in commit messages. If maintainers don't like it they can scrub them on merge.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by Vendan »

Ologn wrote: post #311
jasonpbecker wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that gold's value is not evenly remotely tied to its use value. If it were, gold would be worth a small fraction of its current price.

Precious metals are a commodity like any other commodity. They are valuable because people had to spend effort finding and mining them, and because people find them useful enough to exchange other valuable commodities for them. Their price, measured across decades going thousands of years back, is tied to their use value. It is true the prices can be manipulated over the short term - in 1979, the Hunt brothers made s…

In other words, their subjective value? Gold has no value to me at all, as I don't have any use for it. If you tried to sell me gold, the only reason I'd buy it is if I could immediately resell it for a profit. My subjective value of gold is, therefore, $0.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by wyager »

krick wrote: post #315
wyager wrote: post #294

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Or maybe it's just a cool hackathon project using Bitcoin and the Github APIs... Seriously, what is the big deal with this? The developers are more than able to simply ignore the donations. Anyone who wasted time complaining in that Github thread could have clicked "mark as spam" in a fraction of the time and been done with it.

I guess the real reason was Armin's sincere indignation (quite justified in my opinion) about some random site on the web making use of his project name in some questionable way that appears like it is encouraged by the project maintainer himself. Emails are minor nuisance as you always can create one more filter to get rid of known spam. And then "shit just hit the fan", so all discussion that follows is more about…

>some random site on the web making use of his project name in some questionable way that appears like it is encouraged by the project maintainer himself.

Everyone who used this tipping mechanism would have at least a cursory idea of how it works, and that's all it takes to understand that project maintainers have zero involvement with it.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by wyager »

mbesto wrote: post #240
art2 wrote: post #194

What is staggering is that one would assume that this service was created with the aim of helping open source developers, but when the developers ask personally to make a reasonable change to how the site is functioning, the owners decline. So the reason the site exists is something different. I don't think it's fraud. It's probably the weird culture of the (younger) part of the Bitcoin community, for whom the Bitcoi…

I think it's fair to say that the vocal majority of BitCoiners have a very naive view of some basic economic concepts.

>a very naive view of some basic economic concepts.

Which concepts in particular are you referring to?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by hyperpape »

art2 wrote: post #194

What is staggering is that one would assume that this service was created with the aim of helping open source developers, but when the developers ask personally to make a reasonable change to how the site is functioning, the owners decline. So the reason the site exists is something different. I don't think it's fraud. It's probably the weird culture of the (younger) part of the Bitcoin community, for whom the Bitcoi…

I do feel some sort of kinship here with the Bitcoin attitude, but it's worth remembering that readability pulled an (arguably worse) version of this stunt in the past few years, and were called out as scumbags for it. No Bitcoin in that story.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by 1qaz2wsx3edc »

eli wrote: post #314
ubernostrum wrote: post #5

I do not normally rant, but tip4commit and its ilk are some of the most infuriating people in the world to deal with, since they're opting other people's projects into something that has all sorts of legal/taxation consequences and think that "we have no way to remove you once you get opted in" is an acceptable answer. I'd push complaints further up to GitHub, since I'm sure something in the way this works violates t…

Set aside the legal/tax questions since it just brings out the armchair lawyers. It is simply not cool to use a project's name to collect money from its fans without their permission. And without any promise that the money will make it to the intended recipient. And certainly without any indication of what happens to the money that doesn't make it to the recipient.

Simply put: it should be opt-in, not opt-out.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by zorbo »

GhotiFish wrote: post #290
natch wrote: post #176

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If by now you don't understand that this project is a bad idea, you are going to get a reputation of being not intelligent. That's not a good reputation for a coder. Why is it a bad idea? Maybe people have already stated the reasons. And you (wrongly) think you have effectively refuted them. You are being, to choose a mild word, dense. Sometimes it's best to just look at how mad you are making people, and draw your c…

wohhhh, that's pretty hostile don't you think? I've being reading through this whole debacal myself, and I haven't seen any good reasons so far.

I think tip4commit is a pretty hostile project itself. It deserves a hostile reprimand. And since the creator refuses to even opt-out (let alone opt-in) projects, I really can't feel sorry for them.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by redalastor »

hyperpape wrote: post #325
art2 wrote: post #194

What is staggering is that one would assume that this service was created with the aim of helping open source developers, but when the developers ask personally to make a reasonable change to how the site is functioning, the owners decline. So the reason the site exists is something different. I don't think it's fraud. It's probably the weird culture of the (younger) part of the Bitcoin community, for whom the Bitcoi…

I do feel some sort of kinship here with the Bitcoin attitude, but it's worth remembering that readability pulled an (arguably worse) version of this stunt in the past few years, and were called out as scumbags for it. No Bitcoin in that story.

Do you have a link to that story?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by zorbo »

eli wrote: post #320
marcell wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example, the currently highest-voted comment on /r/bitcoin for the story [0] says "I disagree with him [mitsuhiko]". Not true (anymore?). The top 3 comments are now: - "I think [mitsuhiko] complaint is 120% fair..." - "It seems like tip4commit is trying to ram a Bitcoin service down peoples throats..." - "This has nothing to do with Bitcoin at all. It's people being jerks..."

On the other hand, the whole thread has been killed by an /r/bitcoin mod apparently for inciting anti-bitcoin sentiment. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2kz9x0/please_remov...

I got the exact opposite of that (or I'm misunderstanding you).. The title of the story on reddit is:

> "Please remove mitsuhiko/* (This guy is complaining about tip4commit, please help educate about Bitcoin)"

and the mod writes:

> "You are not allowed to incite brigading. Please resubmit using the original source - the github link. You are part of the problem of why people hate our community"

Seems like the mod is reprimanding the submitter of the story for the "please help educate about Bitcoin" part of the submission (which is inciting brigading).

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