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Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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Here's my thoughts, as someone who's naturally shy, socially awkward (or maybe just plain weird), and loaded with anxiety issues. Start small. Don't try to make friends at first, just practice interacting with people. Ask totally random people questions you can Google. Is the 6 train running on time today? Is this the way to Market Street? Do you know a good coffee shop around here? Ask people in social situations pe…

Sounds like great advice. Practice talking to strangers in low risk ways that are easy for others to respond to.

Also, true about proximity. You can form friendships with people just by going to a coffee shop on a regular basis and just being helpful when called upon. People ask you to watch their stuff for a moment if they've seen you there many times.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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A lil background. I worked my ass off, for a cs degree thinking once the money will rake in, I'll get a girlfriend, friends and all the life style I wanted. Once I got a job, I found myself going right after work studying coursera class ML, to find a better paying job to support my parent. Eventually I ended up depress... I started to workout again and eventually reconnect with my college friends. Unfortunately it wa…

  > I did eventually learn how to make friends and it 
  > was through PUA, pick up artist. Yeah it's 
  > fucking weird.
The PUA thing is interesting to me.

People criticize it because it can be manipulative. But the success of PUA tells me that people seem to be really interested in some kind of step-by-step "system" for dealing with people.

I think that's why the book "How To Win Friends and Influence People" is still popular after many years. It gives you concrete steps to take.

Edit/clarification: I don't particularly think the PUA thing is positive - I wish there was a positive, modern version of PUA that omitted the manipulative aspects. Maybe there is and I don't know it. (There probably is...)

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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I'd just like to point out the improper use of the word introversion here. The author is using it as a synonym for being shy or being a loner. You can be outgoing /social and be an introvert. Being introverted simply means that your life is more focused inward and you find comfort from yourself.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#324
enter the so-called 'pua community'. its a shitload of work (ie doing awkward things like approaching strange girls in awkward places like the street) to get better, BUT its really good for your social skills. and you'll def meet some nice ladies OF COURSE. just take it from this introverted carless autistic no-longer-a-virgin programmer. if you ever come to the netherlands i'll welcome you to 'game' with me and my gang some time.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#326
This will disappear in the noise but I sincerely hope it gets to you because experience has taught me it's true.

Firstly, it sounds like you are prioritizing school/work above yourself. Remember that work and your education are a means to and end. That end is having a fulfilling life and finding happiness. Now, I don't know you so your goals may be different (e.g. you may seek spiritual enlightenment) but for most people, happiness is what they're after and many don't even realize it.

Humans are social creatures, which is why social isolation is hurting you so much. The way we've evolved physically even indicates this. For example, the whites of our eyes are more exposed than any other creature including primates and the color difference between our pupil and iris has a high contrast. This is so that others can see what direction we're looking in - it's a form of intra species communication that we've developed because we're such social creatures.

Now, on to solving the issue of isolation.

I'm 40 years old and it took me the first 35+ years of my life to realize how you make friends. It's quite simple:

You make friends through shared experiences and the more intense and prolonged the experience, the deeper the friendship.

That's it. So lets test this:

Think of the best friends you have made throughout your life. They are school friends, friends you did intense activities with, took risks with, got into trouble with, failed with or had successes with.

For me they are surfing buddies, people I worked with at startups during the dot-com boom (including my wife), people I climbed mountains with and so on.

I'm sure many on HN can vouch for this.

So assuming the above is true: That you make friends through intense shared experiences, the problem you're facing becomes relatively easy to solve.

You're not going to make friends by going to a pub or standing on a street corner.

You might not make friends in your internship because you're just too busy to interact or it's not that kind of job.

You mentioned that you have weekends - and you currently dread them. So take those two days and put yourself in situations where you have intense experiences that you share with others.

You might join a mountain biking club and do beginner rides with other beginners. Or if you're not physically active, join an ethical hacker group and try to qualify for the DefCon capture the flag competition with other hackers. I don't know what your interests are, but putting yourself in situations where you're having intense shared experiences with others is what you need to do. They don't have to be throw-yourself-out-of-an-airplane intense, but riskier experiences are better at forming deep relationships in my experience. So take a few risks with others. If you don't already have friends, joining clubs is the best starting point I think.

Now, about those girls you want to meet:

The best way to solve this is to get a car. If you're in california you MUST get a car. You are not going to get laid if you don't. Simple. Trust me on this - I was a 20-something in Southern California working for a tech company once. If you can't afford one, rent one on the weekends. Make a plan. But get a car.

Secondly: You need to make a few bros. This sounds ridiculous but the best way to meet girls is to get a few guy friends. You need social proof. You need a few bro’s to vouch that you’re not insane, creepy or dangerous and to bring you into a circle. So start by solving the problem of making guy friends. Through your guy friends you will inevitably meet a few girls and they’ll realize you’re OK because you’re with guys they know and things will start to happen.

And get off Facebook. A wise man I know once told me that the less you have going on, the more you’re on Facebook. Get out there in the real world and start having some cool experiences with other people and you’ll find that the rest starts to take care of itself.

And regarding your accent and ability to speak English: Don’t worry about that one bit. Pretend the problem doesn’t exist, hold your head up high and just communicate in your own way. Believe it or not there are people out there that think that foreign accents and English learners are cool.

One last note: If you have trouble joining clubs or getting into groups to do things, don’t let that stop you. Just go out there and do stuff on your own. Go for a hike on a popular trail and force yourself to engage people you meet. Ask them for directions if you have to even if you know where you’re going. You’ll find there are plenty of friendly people (I’m one of them) that will ask you to join them on the hike for a while and start chatting with you.

I wish you the very best of luck.

Edit: I wanted to add: Some folks have recommended Cialdini's "Influence" as a book to read. Be careful of some of the stuff he teaches e.g. Reciprocity. If you keep doing people favors as Cialdini suggests you will actually find you are resented to a certain degree. As someone else here mentioned - having people do YOU favors is a more effective way to gain friends - and make sure you then return the favor but don't overdo it. Also "How to make friends and influence people" is another book to be careful of. For example he teaches to memorize someone's name and use it. Well guess what, every car salesman out there has read this text and if you keep saying "Mark" this and "Mark" that, I'm going to think you're a sleazy car-salesman-type and avoid you - and most others will do the same. Just be confident, hold your head high and go out and put yourself in situations where you're sharing experiences with the kind of people you want to have as friends.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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1. Volunteer. You are highly qualified to tutor in a number of subjects. 2. Look for athletic teams. I'm a boomer, so I'd never have dreamed of playing kickball after 6th grade, but I see millenial twenty-somethings out there in their kickball tee shirts all summer. Or, if you can hit and field, there's softball too. And there are running groups and bicycling groups.

I would like to endorse the idea of tutoring; it can have the free benefit of having your pupil help you with pronunciation.

I would like to expand on point 2. If you make a point to introduce yourself all around and don't interact other than that, you're still in a social situation that benefits you, even if you're focused on playing the game. Further, over time, teams will have some churn, so you're setting yourself up to have medium term casual relationships with lots of people. Finally, there's often a bar outing after such games, allowing for further interaction. Tell your team that you're working on your english; they're committed to you via the team, and are likely to provide you with consistent and quality feedback.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#330

This will disappear in the noise but I sincerely hope it gets to you because experience has taught me it's true. Firstly, it sounds like you are prioritizing school/work above yourself. Remember that work and your education are a means to and end. That end is having a fulfilling life and finding happiness. Now, I don't know you so your goals may be different (e.g. you may seek spiritual enlightenment) but for most pe…

This is exactly what I would say, as they are the same conclusions I came up with the hard way.

The one thing I might at is about girls: it's a chicken and egg problem here. You get good with girls by talking to them. After my first girlfriend I felt like I could talk to almost all girls now.

So if you weren't so lucky as to grow up with female family members, start by becoming friends with girls even if you don't find them attractive. Especially so, since you won't feel the extra pressure. Eventually it will all bear fruit.

It's a long journey, but the sooner you start the more time you will have.

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