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Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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The dock has 10/100 Ethernet. In 2013-2014? Why? Can any of the onboard hardware actually handle a 1Gbit firehose? 100Mbit is enough for any streaming you could throw at this thing.

It's not that gigabit is too much, it's that 100mb isn't enough. Pulling a file from a server at 10 megabytes per second is dreadful compare to 50 or 60

Oh, I agree, I just wonder how many 10GB files anyone would be transferring onto a 64GB Surface.

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That's not the case. Microsoft make their money selling software, Apple, hardware. Once Apple have got your money for the device they don't care what you run on it. See Bootcamp.

How do you explain iOS?

They're selling an experience, not a widget.

Of course the app store revenues don't hurt, but at the most basic level they don't want the user to screw up the 'it just works-nesss' of it.

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> It still seems that you can't for instance launch an executable that runs cigwin in the background. [citation needed] The corporate lawyers that I've talked to at my previous day jobs have told me that this is an obviously legal thing to do.

Just read the links that were posted. "If the modules are included in the same executable file, they are definitely combined in one program." Piping programs into each other is okay, but once you start bundling it's all up in the air.

In common usage (I've never heard it any other way in 24 years of software dev) "included in the same executable" means either combining the source files, or linking object files, or similar. "Bundling" means shipping together, packaging together and never, ever has meant "in the same executable". You do know that .zips .gz and other packages aren't "executable" in the sense used by the GPL, right?

The example of an installer can't be more unambiguous. I quote "No. The installer and the files it installs are separate works. As a result, the terms of the GPL do not apply to the installation software." No. Full-stop. GPL does not apply.

If an installer of GPL software doesn't have to be GPL then certainly unrelated software which happens to come in same disk/download doesn't have to be.

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They should really just buy cygwin and make it the default shell keeping powershell as optional. It's time for MS to acknowledge they need to catch up and be a little bit more interoperable with power users from other oses. cygiwn is one of the first thing i install when I bring up a new windows box.

Ontopic: I would buy it, if these criterias were met: 1) I can install an unpopular Linux distro onto it (NO VM!). 2) I won't get serious issues on Linux, due to no drivers being found compatible, overheating, hybrid-gpu switching problems, touchscreen issues, jumping stylus, battery dead in @smrtinsert Should, would, could. But they didn't, for about two centuries, sorry シ There is so much hope in your writing, hope…

Re: 1, 2, 3: Those are Linux problems, not Surface ones. There are types of hardware that Linux is just poor at supporting. It's up to Linux devs and the component manufacturers to fix that problem, not Microsoft.

I found it pretty easy to put Linux on my Surface Pro 2. The problem is that once it's on there, it kind of sucks. Poor hardware support, extremely poor touchscreen UI.

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You seem to be deliberately missing the point. Apple doesn't pre-announce products at all. Criticizing the way Microsoft did it is reasonable. Making a comparison to Apple while doing so is a little bit nonsensical. If Apple were to get into the habit of pre-announcing products would they put detailed product data on the web? Would they allow for preorders, as Microsoft is apparently going to do tomorrow? Who knows?…

I'm not expecting it to be available for purchase/pre-order (although that's nice). But if you announce it, the information you announce should be on your website. That just seems like common sense. What if Amazon announced they were going to start selling houses and then decided not to put any information about it up on their site for a few hours? Plenty of people would go to Amazon.com to learn about it and they're…

I don't disagree. If it wasn't clear from what I wrote, I just think the comparison with Apple was gratuitous. Saying Apple gets this right when they don't do it at all makes no sense to me.

I guess as a consumer I have to ask which I'd prefer: this slightly broken Microsoft process, or not learning about products at all until they go on sale. I actually do prefer the Microsoft process.

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I'm not expecting it to be available for purchase/pre-order (although that's nice). But if you announce it, the information you announce should be on your website. That just seems like common sense. What if Amazon announced they were going to start selling houses and then decided not to put any information about it up on their site for a few hours? Plenty of people would go to Amazon.com to learn about it and they're…

I don't disagree. If it wasn't clear from what I wrote, I just think the comparison with Apple was gratuitous. Saying Apple gets this right when they don't do it at all makes no sense to me. I guess as a consumer I have to ask which I'd prefer: this slightly broken Microsoft process, or not learning about products at all until they go on sale. I actually do prefer the Microsoft process.

Ah, that's what's going on. I'm not talking about announcing products before they ship, that doesn't matter to my point.

When a company makes an announcement, any announcement, they should put the information on their website. To leave a vacuum when you have that information ready is odd. I don't understand how a company could, in 2014, announce a product and not update their website.

Let's pick another company: Tesla. When they announced the model S and the model X they put the information on the site. The model X still isn't out (and won't be for what, a year+?) but they put the information they announced up on their site for interested people to see.

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Ontopic: I would buy it, if these criterias were met: 1) I can install an unpopular Linux distro onto it (NO VM!). 2) I won't get serious issues on Linux, due to no drivers being found compatible, overheating, hybrid-gpu switching problems, touchscreen issues, jumping stylus, battery dead in @smrtinsert Should, would, could. But they didn't, for about two centuries, sorry シ There is so much hope in your writing, hope…

> 1) I can install an unpopular Linux distro onto it (NO VM!). Is it possible to still install Ubuntu through the Windows Installer?

yup, through wubi http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Wubi

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> It still seems that you can't for instance launch an executable that runs cigwin in the background. [citation needed] The corporate lawyers that I've talked to at my previous day jobs have told me that this is an obviously legal thing to do.

Just read the links that were posted. "If the modules are included in the same executable file, they are definitely combined in one program." Piping programs into each other is okay, but once you start bundling it's all up in the air.

Yeah, njharman describes bundling as I understand it as a programmer. What did you mean by "bundling"? If it was "Packaging two programs in the same archive." or "Using Cygwin Bash to kick off our proprietary program.", then those activities are unambiguously permitted.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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That's a really nice piece of hardware. I've used MacBook Airs since 2010, but the Surface 3 looks to be strictly dominating in the hardware department. Unfortunately, I don't think Microsoft will convert many OS X devs unless they make some changes to their software. One of the advantages of OS X is that it's a Unix, and lots of Unix software runs on it. It's not hard to compile tools such as nmap, Vim, or steam loc…

Try looking into customizing your powershell. pls refer to https://github.com/mishkinf/PowerShellDev

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OSX is less unix than it can get. No X. Crazy apple-only-standards... Heck you can't even use vim! i will eat my hat if you open vim in OSX and be able to copy/paste. The + register just goes to nowhere. OS X is broken unix. windows sucks in many regards, but it always had million more devs than OSX... i know implementing fixes on top of windows goes against the free software philosophy, but there are already too man…

Wow. I think you mean broken X, which makes sense because it isn't based on X and X isn't included by default. The command line vim uses the X clipboard. UNIX is a separate standard from X. IMO part of really appreciating UNIX is appreciating what is part of UNIX and what sits on top of it. I think that most server-side UNIX installs have a "broken" clipboard in vim too. The standard distribution of vim includes inte…

semantics. you could also says that you may have linux compatibility but no sort of libc... or a "broken libc"
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