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Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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Social networking is all about network effects. The biggest threat to Facebook's position at the top of the pile is that another social network will come along, start to gain traction (most likely initially with users that aren't current Facebook users - e.g. early teens) until it reaches a tipping point where current Facebook users start migrating to the new social network because that's where the people they want to interact with are hanging out.

Once that tipping point is reached, the migration is likely to happen rapidly and irreversibly. By acquiring companies like Instagram and Whatsapp, Facebook is not only preventing them from usurping its social networking crown but bolstering its own position against future emerging competitors.

$19bn might sound like a lot but it's cheap when you consider that the risk of not buying Whatsapp is that it eventually obliterates Facebook in the same way that Facebook obliterated Myspace and the original Bebo.

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400,000,000 active users [0] 16,000,000,000 USD ---- $40 per user That's an incredible cost. We can assume Facebook is paying for the userbase, the app itself and it's infrastructure would basically run itself. It's less appealing when you realise that there's probably a miniscule fraction of WhatsApp users that don't have a Facebook account. > WhatsApp will remain autonomous and operate independently. You can contin…

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you mean $1 once when they first install it? the 'pay this amount' was a well known scam message

Android users pay an annual fee.

I wonder if this is significant in requiring that the person then has set up payments; that must lower the friction on getting those users then to buy other things or make further payments. The time and effort expended is probably for many worth more than the dollar spent?

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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400,000,000 active users [0] 16,000,000,000 USD ---- $40 per user That's an incredible cost. We can assume Facebook is paying for the userbase, the app itself and it's infrastructure would basically run itself. It's less appealing when you realise that there's probably a miniscule fraction of WhatsApp users that don't have a Facebook account. > WhatsApp will remain autonomous and operate independently. You can contin…

You also got to add in the 1 million users they have been adding a month. It doesn't substantially change the numbers unless that growth continues for a long time, but Facebook didn't pay for their numbers today, but the numbers they expect them to have in the future.

According to Sequoia's post, they are adding 1mm users/day. http://sequoiacapital.tumblr.com/post/77211282835/four-numbe...

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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> In basically all markets outside of the US, however, they are dominating the messaging space ...WhatsApp certainly isn't dominating in the Asian markets, you only have to look at WeChat.

From what I can tell, though, it's literally the two of those that are controlling the space outside the U.S.

er.. Line? KakaoTalk?

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

#327

My uncle in India runs a construction company, and literally every single aspect of company communication is done over WhatsApp. Each construction site has to constantly post pictures on WhatsApp, and basically all management and payroll decisions are made through WhatsApp discussions. Apparently this is not an uncommon practice, as businesses that were once administered by pen and paper are now using WhatsApp to imp…

I was amazed how big whatsapp was in India and now in Mexico. Cool story.

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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Don't feel bad; no one really uses them in the US (except us foreigners to communicate with friends and family abroad). They are the de-facto messaging service in the rest of the world (except for China).

They are the de-facto messaging service in the rest of the world (except for China). FWIW, I'm in the UK, and I'm not aware of anyone who uses it here, either. I too have heard the name mentioned once or twice in the past, usually for undesirable reasons related to things like security or privacy. Even looking them up today, I don't quite see the attraction: what is the USP here?

Lots of my friends use it for group messaging instead of text messages (in the UK). That it has traction is its feature.

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

#329
The simple issue is that Facebook is the one that is overvalued, not WhatsApp. I'm sure it was mostly paid for in stock.

If you don't think Facebook is overvalued, that's fine, but you can't complain about WhatsApp then.

Also, I doubt this reduced Mark's control of Facebook. Just his common share equity. He still has the special class of voting shares that I'm sure all he really cares about.

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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I'm not sure I'd call the WhatsApp of today a startup.

Why not? ~50 employees, a couple of years old, $8M in funding.

50 employees? That's awesome. Twitter has like over 2000. Sure, Twitter's infrastructure is more complicated, but still.
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