Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

stolen-thoughts.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

321–325 of 325 posts

Re: Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

#321

Post by nonethewiser »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #205
nonethewiser wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reread what he called a morally charged, made up term by future monopolists. Stealing. Not distilling, not stealing “non rivalrous goods.” Just stealing. Do you agree with what he actually said?

Yes, "tokens, trained on the sum of human knowledge", are the most absolutely, unambiguously clear example of a non-rivalrous good I've ever seen. The current copyright status quo has them placed in the public domain . There is literally nothing wrong with "stealing" those tokens. They have exactly zero legal protection. "Stealing" those AI output tokens is so fundamentally impossible that it wouldn't be "stealing" i…

You are in denial. He said the term “stealing.” Not this particular use case.

Re: Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

#322

Post by nonethewiser »

dnautics wrote: post #266
nonethewiser wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reread what he called a morally charged, made up term by future monopolists. Stealing. Not distilling, not stealing “non rivalrous goods.” Just stealing. Do you agree with what he actually said?

when you steal my bike you deprive me of my ability to use it. if i copy your notes, you still have access to them and may make use of them. unless somehow copying destroys the original, it is not stealing.

So you agree. Stealing a bike is a real harm and stealing isnt just some made up term meant to protect people with power and money.

Re: Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

#323

Post by nonethewiser »

UpsideDownRide wrote: post #281
nonethewiser wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reread what he called a morally charged, made up term by future monopolists. Stealing. Not distilling, not stealing “non rivalrous goods.” Just stealing. Do you agree with what he actually said?

Sticking to what was literally said and not meant by a person in a casual comment/conversation is certainly a strategy that can be used.

He said the term “stealing.” Its nonsencial to think he was referring to reverse engineering LLMs. Youd have a point if he referred to that practice and didn’t specifically identify the word stealing by itself.

Funny how he doesn’t clarify that he was just talking about this specific use case. He could just agree with me that it’s sensationalist to assert that about stealing in general.

Re: Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

#324

Post by Bruce04 »

I will repeatedly recommend RECOVERY DAREK to help anyone recover a lost coin or token. recoverydarek at Gmail dot COM helped me recover my stolen $162,000 worth of Bitcoin I Invested with a fake crypto trading company. All thanks to my cousin who referred me to Darek Recovery. In less than a week all my money was recovered.
Post reply on HN