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Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by vagrantJin »

nylonstrung wrote: post #303
archerx wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He wasn’t just some famous redditor. Aaron Swartz helped create Reddit and invented RSS. If I put my conspiracy theory hat one and I always get piled on for this theory in other online communities but I think it could be possible. The theory is I think Aaron found some very dark stuff while exploring the MIT private networks, things that he was not supposed to see and could be very damaging to a lot people if they we…

If he found fucked up stuff regarding crimes way worse than his on university networks don't you think he could have gotten out of the sentencing entirely by cooperating against them Epstein was relatively restrained even in his personal email, I doubt he was using MIT administrated systems to facilitate a pedo ring

It's not that simple. If he did find dark stuff, and he got caught - he will have both the state murderers and the filth on his case. That's the best case scenario assuming the state isn't on the side of the filth by which case he was cooked no matter what he did. Filth does not even have come after you. They can just send you a family portrait and you'd know the hole is deep and only one way out.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by hyperbole »

The fact that pirated books en-mass were used to train LLMs is legally irrelevant, oh do tell - why is that? The whole point of an LLM is to train a neural network based on content - without the content the net is entirely noise. Anthropic/OpenAI, etc. do not exist without training data. Its akin to taking millions of courses online that are intended to be paid for, but never paying.

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Post by inigyou »

bandrami wrote: post #186
theplumber wrote: post #72

But why not jail like Kim Dotcom? And why no Feds jumping on Dario’s window? They are not only pirating, they also resell it!

Copyright infringement is in most cases tortious rather than criminal.

This clearly meets the scale requirements for criminality.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by inigyou »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #78
theplumber wrote: post #72

But why not jail like Kim Dotcom? And why no Feds jumping on Dario’s window? They are not only pirating, they also resell it!

Kim built something designed to help everyone pirate stuff. Anthropic pirated specific content.

Kim built something designed to share files. Are you saying Microsoft should go to jail for SMB?

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by hamandcheese »

inigyou wrote: post #312
echoangle wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a difference between an abstract idea and the concrete thing. Regurgitating an idea is different than repeating the text verbatim. Ideas are protected by patents, not copyright.

So now that we have a magical paraphrasing machine, we can just run any copyrighted work through it to remove the copyright? Cool, I get a GPL version of Microsoft Office.

Is Claude's paraphrasing of Lord of the Rings equivalent to the original?

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Post by inigyou »

godwinson__4-8 wrote: post #145
theplumber wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck off! what about Aaron Swartz ? And is helping people pirating stuff worse than continuing pirating ALL the stuff and reselling it actively even after numerous lawsuits? Some of you really don’t deserve good things. You should be blocked from using AI on more than one device without paying an additional subscription plan.

Aaron Swartz case was particularly egregious. If a just God does exist, that prosecutor will burn in hell.

There's no God. If we want justice we have to obtain it ourselves, in this life.

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Post by inigyou »

JAlexoid wrote: post #188
ceejayoz wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A shitty cam rip of a movie is still punishable as infringement. That said, it's been done: https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.02671 > In some cases, jailbroken Claude 3.7 Sonnet outputs entire books near-verbatim (e.g., nv-recall=95.8%).

Infringement is a civil lawsuit, with financial punishment only.

Wrong. Purple go to jail for publishing shitty cam rips. Did you read the relevant law?

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Post by inigyou »

qurren wrote: post #179
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #120

For anyone who thinks the problem is Anthropic, I want you all to know that most authors make less than the median income. Most make less than $20,000 a year, because publishing houses give authors an advance, and then authors must pay back that entire advance in sales before they see a dollar of profit from their work. Most never do. Maybe publishers should JUST pay authors WELL, and get a book every 2-3 years. http…

Part of the problem is the rest of us are broke as well and taxed to death so we don't have much left. If they paid you well, we wouldn't be able to afford your books.

Note that most of our biggest tax is not called a tax, it's called rent.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by inigyou »

wraptile wrote: post #262
mountainriver wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why you should always distill your models from a competitor. Let them take on the liability

With this it's becoming very clear that we're moving past information copyright of today and the only copyright that'll remain will be brand/trademark shaped. This might be a good thing right? Information remains free while people's effort remains protected (assuming fair governance).

That would be trademark not copyright
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