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$100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by johnvanommen »

onesandofgrain wrote: post #263
hbn wrote: post #257

Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

We dont need music videos though. Music videos are absurd and meaningless.

That was Morrissey's stance when he was in the Smiths.

I really wish he hadn't been such a luddite, it would have been great if we had some Smiths music videos that were actually made in the 80s. (OK, we did get one, "Stop Me if You Think That You've Heard This One Before.")

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by qnleigh »

scrollop wrote: post #298
hbn wrote: post #257

Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

As much as I don't want jobs taken away by AI, a creative person with a vision that would usually required $1 million budget, could create such a video using AI by being very specific in what they require which would not be a " grey goo of the average of every concept " eg. "scene 32, same 2 characters from the previous scene, now dressed in the garb of Egyption middle kingdom high priests, though with cat faces, dan…

I would really love to see examples of creatives using modern AI/LLMs to make quality art, and it feels like this should be happening, but I can't think of any examples yet. Maybe there's so much low-effort slop that the good works are lost in the noise. Or maybe most artists don't use AI on principle.

I would love to see examples if anyone has any. I saw a few things on r/AIVideos that I sort of liked, but I wouldn't go as far as to call them quality art.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by gpderetta »

hbn wrote: post #257

Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

"90% of everything is crap".

Although I guess we should probably update it to "99% of everything is slop.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by spaqin »

bjourne wrote: post #168
boca_honey wrote: post #165

I don't have a problem with AI and can't stand the anti-AI brigade, but... this is the worst thing I have ever seen in my life. This specific type of garbage is exactly what arms the anti-AI critics with valid arguments. We should really wait a few years for the technology to mature before releasing these kinds of projects into the cultural sphere.

Eh, I'd like to see YOU make a better music video for $100 or less!

I have done a few - even if very amateurish, still learning, on the side, for saxophone covers. Budget was basically just transportation to the location. I don't count the price of my equipment in the budget because I'm also not counting the price of a datacenter here.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by FailMore »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #3

Unsure if it's just the way they prompted it / coded it, but the output is far too much a literal direct copy of the lyrics. The best music videos have a story arc on the theme of but often not litearlly the lyrics, and start with obscurity and reveal something (following all the literary/story mechanisms) Consider Amber Run - Found lyrics versus the video, and the story arc of the video https://www.youtube.com/watch…

Yes, LLMs are way to literal - it is a problem.

Claude can right great code, but it’ll throw comments into the code about why we chose this approach instead of the random one I discussed with it - when the comment is of no use to a future developer.

It points at some sort of theory of mind problem in LLMs imo.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by theshowforbirds »

onesandofgrain wrote: post #263
hbn wrote: post #257

Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

We dont need music videos though. Music videos are absurd and meaningless.

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by michelb »

Interesting how bad this is when you don't use video models and your own direction.

The first two clips are made with Kling (not affiliated, but I use it myself): https://xcancel.com/PJaccetturo/status/2076312902685085815#m

Obviously not one-shot, and finalised in a video editor. It's quite doable to get this kind of fidelity.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by johnvanommen »

qbit42 wrote: post #272

AI is destroying the economics which allowed for a sizable middle class of artists. The issue is that many are paid for their art mostly for its aesthetic rather than artistic value. This isn’t the most creatively fulfilling, but it previously allowed many artists to make a living while refining their skills, often enabling them to pursue their real creative ambitions on the side.

> AI is destroying the economics which allowed for a sizable middle class of artists.

I was an art major and switched to CompSci purely for the money.

AI "art" is often slop, but the ability to create something in seconds that used to take months shouldn't be taken lightly. There will undoubtedly be truly creative people who will use AI art as a force multiplier instead of a shortcut, and that is when things will get interesting.

We're already seeing this in software; plenty of people can attest to the fact that LLMs give them the opportunity to write software that they couldn't have written without AI, because their ability to write code wasn't up to snuff.

Some use that opportunity to get their existing work done faster.

But some use that opportunity to create things which were beyond their capabilities, just a few years ago. And when that same mindset eventually becomes prevalent among artists, we will undoubtedly see AI "art" that is truly art.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by kriro »

f6v wrote: post #315
hbn wrote: post #257

Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

> It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. All right, but that's what an average entertainment product looks like. All these new TV shows have exactly the same look and feel about them. The same actors playing the same roles over and over again. People keep comparing AI to some kind of once in a lifetime genius instead of an average person in the field.

This seems overly pessimistic to me. Of the recent shows I have watched, Andor contradicts it in my opinion. Might even be one of the best shows I have watched. Granted I rarely watch movies/TV shows these days so my random sample might just be lucky.
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