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Stripe and Advent have made a joint offer to acquire PayPal – sources

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Re: Stripe and Advent have made a joint offer to acquire PayPal – sources

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Convince who? There is no such thing as antitrust anymore in the USA, it’s merely the size of the bribe required to let the merger go through now

How is Spirit airlines doing with your witty remark?

Maybe their bribe wasn’t big enough?

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It has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with compliance and fraud risk.

What fraud risk?

Unauthorized credit card transactions. Adult content, for example, is known to have a high chargeback rates.

Re: Stripe and Advent have made a joint offer to acquire PayPal – sources

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Yea, I think you have this one backward? it's lack of regulation that allows Mastercard and Visa to say "if you do try to use some other payment process you can't use us". Since MC and Visa own all of it, no business can take that hit to their customer base Some other countries don't have this issue for various reasons.

Is it a US thing? In many countries there are definitely different payment systems accepted by merchants, just not card based and/or directly linked to a bank account.

Yes, it's US (and maybe EU?) thing.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-s...

Re: Stripe and Advent have made a joint offer to acquire PayPal – sources

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The Herfindahl-Hirschman Index is a measure of the concentration of a market based on the market-share of the firms participating in it. Very much like the Simpson's index that tells you the probability of two organisms in a place being of the same type when randomly drawn. It's just \sum_i^n h_{i}^2 sum of squares of market-share. Enjoyed that. Thanks for the discovery.

HHI and Simpsons are neat new finds. There's also this other variant of the Simpson's Index: https://www.thesimpsonsindex.com/

Payment processor margins are already very high, especially considering they are basically low-tech utilities.

If the US had functioning antitrust laws it would be looking at their margins and be considering whether to break up some of the existing players, not considering when allow even more mergers.

Re: Stripe and Advent have made a joint offer to acquire PayPal – sources

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> The future is direct payments without middlemen. direct payment can be good, but thats only part of the service. First, this is not a "card vendors are good" they are a large buisness entity, with their own motivations. Visa/mastercard are outsized and should have proper competition. THe point of card vendors in the modern era is to provide credit and protection for both consumers and buisnesses. Credit is provided…

> But, in the US your level of direct payment options are frankly shite. This is completely untrue. > In india, direct transfer is free and mostly instant, same in the UK/EU. Zelle is an instant payment-by-email network created by the US banks and is accepted basically everywhere. And there are still other options like FedNow.

Zelle seems more complex in terms of access, slower, and less universal (inside the covered zone) than IBAN based instant bank transfers. Users need to enroll using their phone number and / or an email, when IBAN instant transfer is available by default. They say that transfers "often" happen in minutes, when instant transfer via IBAN happen in a few seconds, always. The FAQ also covers issues enrolling, which means that users are not guaranteed to be enrolled. It’s an out of band process with it seems email or phone number as the ID. It seems the recipient has to enroll beforehand which is another complication (IBAN being the bank number you have the guarantee that your recipient exists and can receive the funds instantly) Zelle feels more like a system added on top, IBAN instant transfer is an extension of the existing bank transfer system, used and found at the same place UI-wise.

Re: Stripe and Advent have made a joint offer to acquire PayPal – sources

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What fraud risk?

Unauthorized credit card transactions. Adult content, for example, is known to have a high chargeback rates.

And what do you think happens when a chargeback is issued that would lead to "Risk" for Stripe?

Re: Stripe and Advent have made a joint offer to acquire PayPal – sources

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1.5% - 3.25% + 20p https://stripe.com/gb/pricing

"1% to Stripe and 2% to card companies" is the grandparent estimating how the Stripe fees that you're quoting are divided up. Stripe isn't keeping all of that "1.5% - 3.25% + 20p", they're paying the network some portion. Additionally, instead of using the blended pricing model you quote, they do offer IC+ pricing to (at least some) businesses. I don't know the criteria. On IC+, you're explicitly paying "whatever the…

Thanks, wasn't aware of IC+.What kind of volume is needed to be eligible do you know?

Re: Stripe and Advent have made a joint offer to acquire PayPal – sources

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Unauthorized credit card transactions. Adult content, for example, is known to have a high chargeback rates.

And what do you think happens when a chargeback is issued that would lead to "Risk" for Stripe?

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Re: Stripe and Advent have made a joint offer to acquire PayPal – sources

#329

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Unauthorized credit card transactions. Adult content, for example, is known to have a high chargeback rates.

And what do you think happens when a chargeback is issued that would lead to "Risk" for Stripe?

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Re: Stripe and Advent have made a joint offer to acquire PayPal – sources

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Not great tbh. The more time goes on, I'm starting to come around to paypal's original vision of decentralized internet-native money as being the future. The more the international system breaks down and countries abuse their power via the banking system (especially the US, and from both parties), my opinion of cryptocurrencies transitions from "annoying scam infrastructure for hucksters" to "actually...you might hav…

The point about crypto is worth exploring. Many would prefer to cut the middleman out and crypto can be a way to do that.
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