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Re: New York City to ban deceptive subscription practices

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But then it should be included in the quoted price, right? It’s mandatory after all.

Should car insurance be included in the price of a car? You have the freedom to purchase insurance from whoever.

That’s a legal requirement though. If I rent a car and the rental company requires me to also insure it or they won’t give me the keys, surely that should be included, even if the insurance money isn’t going to the rental company.

Re: New York City to ban deceptive subscription practices

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The difference between my sins or your sins and much greater sins is also one of degree, not kind. You never lied or went along with something dubious? At least this person is being honest and reflective.

> You never lied or went along with something dubious? …no? Certainly not where it impacted more than just me and one other person. Why would that be normal?

Seriously? No white lies or going along with anything that you didn't fully agree with, in your life, in all contexts? We're talking about kind and not degree here, per the comment I responded to.

Have you been fired from a job for standing on these ironclad principles?

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These rules are great but “landmark” seems like puffery, as California has had such rules for quite a while. Ironically that has meant it’s hard to unsubscribe from the New York Times except in California.

This information about the NYT is out of date; it's now easy to unsubscribe from anywhere.

And that is courtesy of recent New York State law. [1]

[1] https://kr.law/news/article-detail/new-yorks-new-automatic-r...

Re: New York City to ban deceptive subscription practices

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This is what legitimate government looks like. Leaders actually advocating for the people who are being deceived by those in power instead of helping those in power. While this may be a trivial issue, being able to cancel a gym or newspaper subscription, it sends a signal. Companies need to view customers as partners in a business transaction and not objects to be exploited.

Lol wait for enforcement before declaring victory

Right!

Some British media / reddit 'users' did the same over-the-top congratulatory puffery for some laws passed in the UK.

Like hello, Parliamentary supremacy and a whopping majority, the Lords who will at most suggest a few tweaks for anything that's been sold well, a Prime Minister who was a Barrister - passing laws is the easy part!

Call something the Renter's Rights Act for example and people lose their minds falling over congratulating the Government and Parliament before it even passes.

(In defence of some of our media, they did write one or two articles about all the people who got kicked out prior to the law coming into effect - just a couple of weeks before it coming into effect...)

We're software devs - we should know writing code (particularly now) is frequently the easy part. Tests, deployment, versioning, monitoring, logs, effect on revenue etc, bit trickier.

Re: New York City to ban deceptive subscription practices

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For what it's worth, I just tried cancelling my NYTimes subscription to see if it was still as bad as I'd remembered, and aside from desperately begging me not to leave, it was quite simple. No need to contact support. I wasn't planning to go through with it, but I still got a nice discount for the next year, so.. thanks!

Are you in California, or another locale with protections against difficult cancellation procedures?

New York State passed a law last year that makes cancellations easy.

Re: New York City to ban deceptive subscription practices

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Be careful of Paypal! Go info your subscriptions section and check it out - there's a decade of past ones, including companies in the grave. Some aren't, like Evernote, which renewed automatically for a year on an old email I don't have access to.

Doesn’t everybody want random db tokens that represent authorization to charge their credit card account stored on major platforms like PayPal and Netflix?

No?

Tough shit!

Re: New York City to ban deceptive subscription practices

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> You never lied or went along with something dubious? …no? Certainly not where it impacted more than just me and one other person. Why would that be normal?

Seriously? No white lies or going along with anything that you didn't fully agree with, in your life, in all contexts? We're talking about kind and not degree here, per the comment I responded to. Have you been fired from a job for standing on these ironclad principles?

Left my best job/title for them.

Had my place to sleep as a young person threatened, for doing the right thing in the family business.

I don’t even feel good about Santa…

Re: New York City to ban deceptive subscription practices

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I don't understand because I'm not American but how does New York the city have such powers? At least where I am, cities aren't really "real" in that they are constructs the provincial government creates (and can uncreate). A city here could never make such a ban.

Cities are similarly not "real" in the US, but there's a strong tradition of local governance, so some states (including New York: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/MHR/10) issue blanket authorization for any city to pass any law that doesn't contradict the state's general laws.

Re: New York City to ban deceptive subscription practices

#329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? No white lies or going along with anything that you didn't fully agree with, in your life, in all contexts? We're talking about kind and not degree here, per the comment I responded to. Have you been fired from a job for standing on these ironclad principles?

Left my best job/title for them. Had my place to sleep as a young person threatened, for doing the right thing in the family business. I don’t even feel good about Santa…

Ok, well respect to you for whatever happened there, sincerely.

But all of us have compromised at some time or place, I have in some places and faced consequences for not doing so in other places. If you haven't compromised yet, then wait until you have a family to take care of.

I prefer being honest about the times I did compromise and took OPs comment in that vein. A true psycho would see nothing wrong and also not be reflective about it.

Re: New York City to ban deceptive subscription practices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Left my best job/title for them. Had my place to sleep as a young person threatened, for doing the right thing in the family business. I don’t even feel good about Santa…

Ok, well respect to you for whatever happened there, sincerely. But all of us have compromised at some time or place, I have in some places and faced consequences for not doing so in other places. If you haven't compromised yet, then wait until you have a family to take care of. I prefer being honest about the times I did compromise and took OPs comment in that vein. A true psycho would see nothing wrong and also not…

> then wait until you have a family to take care of.

I’ve also kept from having a family until I’m able to have one without directly* harming someone else to do it.

I’m reflecting. Mostly on what others have, materially, that I do not, but also what I have that they cannot.

Environmental externalities of the existence of my entire country/society notwithstanding - before this goes off into the weeds further.

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