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Post by sillyfluke »

saguntum wrote: post #259
_ink_ wrote: post #5

I really like what Spain is doing recently. If it weren't for climate change, I'd consider moving there.

I'm moving there. Climate change is going to affect everywhere, and yes, a lot of Spain will experience desertification over the course of my lifetime. I am moving from Texas to Spain, though, so I am used to heat from a pure personal comfort perspective. One interesting point is that Spain is well-situated in terms of its energy mix: it's a leader of renewables in Europe. It was also able to negotiate a carve-out fr…

Nice. I don't know what your comfort with swimming is but battling extreme heat also happens to be much easier when you have large welcoming bodies of water for humans to wade in, and with easy and cheap access for the common man. It boggles the mind that for all its coast line the only place the US has that's comparable is Hawaii pretty much.

Sure extreme heat might ruin the seas too eventually (there is already talk of Asian jellyfish species being spotted in record warm sea temperatures) but the amount of due dilligence needed is non-existent compared to the US, Australia, or far east Asia.

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Post by somelamer567 »

kome wrote: post #264
somelamer567 wrote: post #198

The Spanish government trusting the CCP over Palantir is wild. The CCP's intolerant, cruel and authoritarian nature is a direct threat to humanity in ways that Peter Thiel could barely imagine in his darkest dreams. The lack of perspective on show here is astonishing. They are destroying trust with vital Western allies -- trust is gained in drops and lost in buckets -- and Lurch and his dodgy friends are clearly out…

please, compared to thiel & co., the ccp are basically choir boys. and they worked well for china. they cleaned their cities of unbreathable air and reduced poverty in a very short time span. we cannot say the same for the americans robber barons and their political wing, like trump&co. how can you deny the most basic reality and evidence?

The people who raised concerns about the awful things the Chinese Communist Party has done in the process are unfortunately unavailable for comment.

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Post by somelamer567 »

Maken wrote: post #301
somelamer567 wrote: post #198

The Spanish government trusting the CCP over Palantir is wild. The CCP's intolerant, cruel and authoritarian nature is a direct threat to humanity in ways that Peter Thiel could barely imagine in his darkest dreams. The lack of perspective on show here is astonishing. They are destroying trust with vital Western allies -- trust is gained in drops and lost in buckets -- and Lurch and his dodgy friends are clearly out…

You are mixing apples and oranges. The infamous Huawei deal was buying tons of HDD servers. Any deal with Palantir is handling all your data to the NSA.

The NSA have Congressional oversight and are held accountable for their (mis)deeds, more or less.

The Chinese MSS and the Chinese Communist Party itself aren't even accountable to God.

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Post by bit-anarchist »

bigyabai wrote: post #262
somelamer567 wrote: post #198

The Spanish government trusting the CCP over Palantir is wild. The CCP's intolerant, cruel and authoritarian nature is a direct threat to humanity in ways that Peter Thiel could barely imagine in his darkest dreams. The lack of perspective on show here is astonishing. They are destroying trust with vital Western allies -- trust is gained in drops and lost in buckets -- and Lurch and his dodgy friends are clearly out…

> is a direct threat to humanity in ways that Peter Thiel could barely imagine Care to outline a few of those threats? The ones that Thiel allegedly cannot imagine? I'm American, I get why Spain's feeling trepidation. I can't trust my own government with data if it could be used against me. I actively seek out Chinese translation, AI and search engines when I want privacy from the US. It's safer with the CCP than the…

I thinking OP is worried about China exporting its political influence outside.

In China, the Ministry for State Security has the legal authority to seize and investigate your devices without warrant nor active case, for instance. This can be, legally, motivated by dissident political thought.

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Post by bit-anarchist »

somelamer567 wrote: post #323
Maken wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are mixing apples and oranges. The infamous Huawei deal was buying tons of HDD servers. Any deal with Palantir is handling all your data to the NSA.

The NSA have Congressional oversight and are held accountable for their (mis)deeds, more or less. The Chinese MSS and the Chinese Communist Party itself aren't even accountable to God.

Congressional oversight doesn't mean much here, since the CCP also serves that role.

The real problem is that, even though US is, in practice, a de-facto two-party between democrats and republicans, the PRC is a de-facto one-party system. There's also the overall opportunities for change and revolution that US society provides, that are absent in the PRC.

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Post by somelamer567 »

bit-anarchist wrote: post #325
somelamer567 wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NSA have Congressional oversight and are held accountable for their (mis)deeds, more or less. The Chinese MSS and the Chinese Communist Party itself aren't even accountable to God.

Congressional oversight doesn't mean much here, since the CCP also serves that role. The real problem is that, even though US is, in practice, a de-facto two-party between democrats and republicans, the PRC is a de-facto one-party system. There's also the overall opportunities for change and revolution that US society provides, that are absent in the PRC.

De jure one-party system. No other political parties are permitted.

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Post by bit-anarchist »

somelamer567 wrote: post #326
bit-anarchist wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congressional oversight doesn't mean much here, since the CCP also serves that role. The real problem is that, even though US is, in practice, a de-facto two-party between democrats and republicans, the PRC is a de-facto one-party system. There's also the overall opportunities for change and revolution that US society provides, that are absent in the PRC.

De jure one-party system. No other political parties are permitted.

PRC does actually allow different political parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_C...

They, however, need to be approved by the CCP, so this multi party system is only de jure.

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Post by archagon »

ipaddr wrote: post #311
archagon wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said above, I care far more about the dehumanization of my fellow human beings than how open or closed the borders are. (It's possible to have sensible and humane immigration policy along any point on that axis.) Slandering immigrants as "invaders" or "parasites" should be met with the harshest possible rebuke, if not outright prosecution for hate speech.

My concern is not the people coming in but the use of hate speech laws to silence any voices that oppose different viewpoints. If being against mass migration is hate speech its time to get rid of hate speech laws.

At no point did anyone say that being against mass migration is hate speech.

But if you're like "these vermin hoards are poisoning the blood of our people," then... yeah.

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markdown wrote: post #183
aucisson_masque wrote: post #170

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You're far better off having a million new young workers than having a million undocumented young people hidden in the shadow economy. They were already there. Flicking a switch and turning them into participants in the economy and society at large is a positive move.

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Post by fakedang »

sillyfluke wrote: post #319
tngranados wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The no AC in Europe thingy is mostly central and north Europe, where, in fairness, it didn't use to get very hot but now have heat waves fairly often. Spain, Portugal, Italy and other southern European countries have very wide spread AC usage.

>southern European countries They also have colder beers than Germany probably for the same reason. Nothing beats the culture acclimation of wincing while sipping lukewarm beer under the July sun in 100+ degrees Berlin.

And horchatas!
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