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Is AI ruining our skills? Early results are in – and they're not good

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Re: Is AI ruining our skills? Early results are in – and they're not good

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2 types of people: People who use coding as a means to an end, producing a product People who enjoy process over product and coding is the enjoyable part, not the end product Company executives fall into bucket 1. Even if you love your cushy air-conditioned job, doesn’t mean the people above you don’t see you as a means to an end, a better product. Solo founders and small startups are in bucket 1 as well but that doe…

I think that’s a false dichotomy. I enjoyed coding but was more interested in the problems code could solve. Both were really important facets of the job. When I was a chef, I loved being creative with flavors and techniques, and giving people a new favorite aesthetic memory to file away. Losing one of those things would make the job not worth it to me even though I enjoyed both.

Great point. I learned to code to solve a problem and fell into love with programming as much as the product building. Now the first part is gone and I’m forced to decide which was more enjoyable.

I do think food is a bit different. With software and businesses, the end product keeps on giving and can be forever changed. For food, the process is many times longer than the actual eating the food part.

Re: Is AI ruining our skills? Early results are in – and they're not good

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A skill which is now done better by a machine is no longer a skill, it is technology. It is just a matter of time before most of our logical and language reasoning skills are replaced by frontier model-agents, which will at some point be far superior (if not already) to human capability. So I totally disagree with this premise that human skills are being ruined by the use of AI technology. No, many human skills are b…

You miss the point, the point is that by using AI, our skills (let say "coding in Rust") are diminishing and even without reading this article, we can feel it to some extent already if we aren't lying to ourselves, especially very heavy AI users. We do however create new skills, skills that might be more relevant for the future, but still, it is controversial.

I think you missed the core point of my post. Writing software, like most sorts of logical and language reasoning, is diminishing in value as a skill in this world. Technology is making these skills obsolete.

For example, being able to efficiently plow a field, or harvest crops by hand, or use a scythe to trim grass all used to be skills. These skills are no longer useful to society because we do them much faster and efficient with modern technology. Is it bad that people's skills in being able to perform these manual agricultural tasks diminished? I'd argue no, it isn't bad; it's extremely good for almost everyone that we have the knowledge and means through which this labor can be automated.

Re: Is AI ruining our skills? Early results are in – and they're not good

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They really are though. There seems to be some confusion about "determinism" as if everyone writes perfect code and every compiler interprets that code perfectly. There's bugs and nondeterminism in every step of the chain with human coders and, say, a .NET compiler too. The idea that we've got coding down to a pristine and exact science and AI is some random chaos element that muddies it makes no sense to me after se…

When it comes to non-determinism, the occasional bug or optimization difference in a compiler is not even in the same category as the 50+% chance of a different answer every time that you get with llms.

Yup, these people don't understand between "non-determinism" because of a bug, and as the fundamental way of working.

Re: Is AI ruining our skills? Early results are in – and they're not good

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If they can keep up. Unfortunately, we learn from previous technology shifts that the masses will always favor ease of use (to the point of infinite scroll 5 second videos dopamine puddle, or echo chamber social networking in lieu of critical media consumption), which does not bode well for the market for alternative hardware: one which is already expensive. I fear on-prem AI is likely to become as popular as on-prem…

Eh, this is our species first contact with that type of technology. A good number of voices see how deleterious these things are, and it’s all still very new. Future humans will tell parables about the evil tech bros and their silly obsessions, and the unequal accumulation of capital. This will be seen as a dark and stupid time, but I think we’ll persevere - the tech bro set is much weaker than they imagine, and cert…

Agreed. History shows concentration in the hands of a few usually doesn't go well, not because the masses are powerful or smarter than the few but there is a limit you can manage power from the top. AI will be another step in the popularization of information and we'll get both Wikipedia and TikTok of AI in coming years.

Re: Is AI ruining our skills? Early results are in – and they're not good

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post #324

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When it comes to non-determinism, the occasional bug or optimization difference in a compiler is not even in the same category as the 50+% chance of a different answer every time that you get with llms.

Yup, these people don't understand between "non-determinism" because of a bug, and as the fundamental way of working.

What programmer codes exactly the way of any other programmer? Human ability to write code is dependent on time allowed, how hungry they are, how much sleep they got and a million other non-determined factors.

Re: Is AI ruining our skills? Early results are in – and they're not good

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Colonoscopy detection has gotten modestly better with AI assistance. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39216648/ https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2023... https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1309086 https://info.asge.org/083024-colon-asge/acg-quality-task-for... New tool that does task better than worker leads to workers being less good at task. Net outcome for patient is positive. Next? P…

If your argument boils down to "individuals just need to use it the right way" then I ask you to kindly use that same framing for driving cars, owning guns, etc. and then rethink your position. It turns out that when the use of a tool has external consequences for misusing it, it's important that there are structures in place for penalizing the misuse of that tool.

Not my argument.

I agree that we need structures in place to penalize misuse of the tool.

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