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Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by UltraSane »

frollogaston wrote: post #276
UltraSane wrote: post #273

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You didn't actually answer my question. How does using the word for people who want to create a Jewish state make sense when a Jewish state has existed for 78 years?

One reasonable possibility is they're referring to people like Ben-Gvir who have themselves claimed that Zionism means fighting for Israeli control over more territory like the West Bank. They're the ones calling the shots right now. I don't know whether Zionists 78 years ago would've agreed, it's possible. To some it still means favoring any existence of a Jewish state. The inertia isn't there because aside from the…

"Zionism means fighting for Israeli control over more territory like the West Bank."

Now that is a valid use of the term. I think the problem it that Zionism means so many different things it is nearly useless as a description. It seems more useful as a slur which has become very common in some circles.

"The inertia isn't there"

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying Israel could be defeated without US assistance?

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by jdkfmtlym »

dang wrote: post #299
nrds wrote: post #259

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It's not a question of painful - I'm happy to "admit" what's true, as best I can, and not what's not true. Let's see if we can sort that out a bit in the present case. HN is certainly curated - I've been "admitting" that since the day I got outed as a mod here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7494621 (March 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7507229 (April 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=79629…

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Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by esprehn »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #246
objclxt wrote: post #190

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> Google and Apple both need a culling similar to what Elon did with Twitter after taking over. You could cut Google's size by 40% and they'd still have more corporate employees than Apple. (Google has ~190k employees, Apple has ~160k but 50k of those are retail staff, so ~110k corporate)

Google is competing with nvidia (TPU), AWS (GCP), Netflix (youtube), Tesla (waymo self driving), OpenAI (Gemini), Microsoft (Workspace), Apple (Android)....

Apple was doing effectively everything on that list, though the self driving car was cancelled and the AI is now gemini.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by pstuart »

eikenberry wrote: post #37
HDThoreaun wrote: post #31

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Google is facing a legitimate innovators dilemma here. It makes sense to have all this process when youre protecting a $4.5 trillion golden goose. The tragedy here is that one predictable outcome of this situation is google deciding to considerably cut research funding when they figure out it just serves to bootstrap future competitors.

This is when it makes sense to split your business up into multiple smaller businesses. The government should be doing this via anti-trust but they have dropped the ball there so, at this point, the corps really need to just do it to themselves to better compete.

Or maybe just have your R&D teams focused on doing R&D with zero corporate interference. Staff it with personal assistants whose only job is to ensure the researchers have whatever they need and are never bothered with meetings or other corporate shenanigans. The assistants could then be the proxies to management to provide feedback to management, but only on best effort and still staying the fuck out of the way of the researchers.

Easy peasy!

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by frollogaston »

UltraSane wrote: post #321
frollogaston wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One reasonable possibility is they're referring to people like Ben-Gvir who have themselves claimed that Zionism means fighting for Israeli control over more territory like the West Bank. They're the ones calling the shots right now. I don't know whether Zionists 78 years ago would've agreed, it's possible. To some it still means favoring any existence of a Jewish state. The inertia isn't there because aside from the…

"Zionism means fighting for Israeli control over more territory like the West Bank." Now that is a valid use of the term. I think the problem it that Zionism means so many different things it is nearly useless as a description. It seems more useful as a slur which has become very common in some circles. "The inertia isn't there" I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying Israel could be defeated without US assistance…

I think it's valid to use the word the way that Israel's present leadership is using it.

> Are you saying Israel could be defeated without US assistance?

US and UK, yes. Not just cause of the weapons and money to Israel. After them, the top recipients of US foreign aid in the area are the bordering countries Egypt and Jordan, so that they don't attack.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by VirusNewbie »

esprehn wrote: post #323
VirusNewbie wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is competing with nvidia (TPU), AWS (GCP), Netflix (youtube), Tesla (waymo self driving), OpenAI (Gemini), Microsoft (Workspace), Apple (Android)....

Apple was doing effectively everything on that list, though the self driving car was cancelled and the AI is now gemini.

Err, maybe some of those, but there's a reason Apple is using GCP and TPUs for training their custom gemini model.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by UltraSane »

frollogaston wrote: post #325
UltraSane wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Zionism means fighting for Israeli control over more territory like the West Bank." Now that is a valid use of the term. I think the problem it that Zionism means so many different things it is nearly useless as a description. It seems more useful as a slur which has become very common in some circles. "The inertia isn't there" I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying Israel could be defeated without US assistance…

I think it's valid to use the word the way that Israel's present leadership is using it. > Are you saying Israel could be defeated without US assistance? US and UK, yes. Not just cause of the weapons and money to Israel. After them, the top recipients of US foreign aid in the area are the bordering countries Egypt and Jordan, so that they don't attack.

> I think it's valid to use the word the way that Israel's present leadership is using it.

And how is that?

Israel has a population of 10 million people and a very modern military and nuclear weapons. If it's existence was ever truly threatened things would get VERY ugly.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by cindyllm »

UltraSane wrote: post #327
frollogaston wrote: post #325

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I think it's valid to use the word the way that Israel's present leadership is using it. > Are you saying Israel could be defeated without US assistance? US and UK, yes. Not just cause of the weapons and money to Israel. After them, the top recipients of US foreign aid in the area are the bordering countries Egypt and Jordan, so that they don't attack.

> I think it's valid to use the word the way that Israel's present leadership is using it. And how is that? Israel has a population of 10 million people and a very modern military and nuclear weapons. If it's existence was ever truly threatened things would get VERY ugly.

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Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by frollogaston »

UltraSane wrote: post #327
frollogaston wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's valid to use the word the way that Israel's present leadership is using it. > Are you saying Israel could be defeated without US assistance? US and UK, yes. Not just cause of the weapons and money to Israel. After them, the top recipients of US foreign aid in the area are the bordering countries Egypt and Jordan, so that they don't attack.

> I think it's valid to use the word the way that Israel's present leadership is using it. And how is that? Israel has a population of 10 million people and a very modern military and nuclear weapons. If it's existence was ever truly threatened things would get VERY ugly.

Because that's what matters. The original Zionists aren't alive to ask what they think. Self-proclaimed Zionists are taking the West Bank and Gaza. In fact they've been kinda doing it for decades under previous governments, but more slowly. If there's some other kind of Zionism around, the most it's doing is complaining, and it's been outvoted.

I have doubts about their ability to self-defend because otherwise we wouldn't be giving so much money, the situation would be stable. Even if they can severely hurt the attackers, it doesn't really matter if the attackers stop at nothing. We just lost a war against Iran despite having full air superiority and killing their leader. And especially if you're considering the scenario where Israel never got Western support, and thus never got those advanced weapons.

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