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Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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You obviously don't know how Android works. When an app hasn't been open for a while and it has no background tasks, it gets put to sleep. Waking it up takes a second. You can delay that by selecting the app in the settings and choosing its Battery setting to Unrestricted, however, despite its name, it will still get suspended The checks are poorly coded. Even on Unrestricted, if you play music from a web player, the…

Man, I backported freezer v2 cgroup implementation into 4.4 kernel so these cached tasks are suspended, don't tell me how Android works please :)

What are you running, Android 9.0?

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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What? https://www.firefox.com/en-US/mobile/focus/ The only thing I use Firefox on iOS for *is* its ad blocker.

I use it on iOS daily and there’s no ad blocker. The page you linked only mentions tracking blocking. If you actually have ad blocking enabled, I’m sure a lot of us would love to hear how you did it.

Mozilla advertised Firefox Focus to block tracking and ads before. And it blocks some ads.[1] It is not possible to block tracking effectively without blocking some ads at least. They could have stopped to advertise ad blocking because people who wanted ad blocking wanted better.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48557156

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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And I won't even notice. Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website. Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive. I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else. I'm a big fan of critique, critiquing the scaffolding of our lives is the best thing we can do. That said...... we have nearly lost the browser wars and if we do it w…

"Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive." That "keep the web open" nonsense is a myth, spread by Mozilla press releases People who use Firefox, not all of them, "keep open internet [read: www] alive" If Firefox exists and does the job for them, then they'll use it. These users write the add-ons to do "ad blocking", not Mozilla If Mozilla closes the door on "ad…

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Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Yeah. MV3 is a faster but less capable version. With MV2, every request must be filtered with slow, JIT, garbage-collected JavaScript code. In MV3, filtering is handled by native browser code using the list provided by extensions. UserScripts could be used to modify the DOM, but that requires power users to manually enable it. There is a limit on how large the list can be, depending on the browser.

JavaScript really isn't that slow. JIT compilation can wind up faster than AOT compilation. And much of the APIs called by JavaScript is natively-implemented browser code. JavaScript is faster than C# yet people implement games in C# (not the engine cores, but that's a very similar situation to JS) and don't bat an eye.

> JavaScript is faster than C#

Are you joking? C# is in another leage, when we talk about performance.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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"Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension" really doesn't tell a general audience what is happening here. No wonder it gained little notice.

There have been quite a few threads about it recently - unfortunately I don't have time to dig up links at the moment. (also, 450+ comments is not little notice!)

For an abuse of monopoly power this big, I would argue that only getting ~400 upvotes is indeed little notice.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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Brave has an interesting approach where they have added core support for four key MV2 extensions to the core of the browser engine, bypassing MV3 entirely. > Update: As of v1.81, we host the following Manifest V2 (MV2) extensions on Brave’s backend: AdGuard, uBO, uMatrix, NoScript. These extensions operate independently from the equivalent versions that are currently present on the Chrome Web Store, and have to be do…

The extensions are in addition to their own included ad and other nuisance blocking features. I've been testing migrating from Firefox to Brave Origin (the paid fork with no crypto features that has a free linux build) and it works pretty well without any extensions. Yesterday I wanted to get a brave search api key on the free tier and they require a credit card even for that. That pissed me off a bit but still gonna…

What bothers me about Brave is that, although it is "open source," in practice using Brave means running binaries distributed by Brave Software (a for-profit, VC-backed adtech company). As far as I know, no independent builds are yet part of a mainstream Linux distro, and the project calls forks "freeriding." The browser may be OK, but all of this does not inspire a lot of confidence.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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And I won't even notice. Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website. Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive. I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else. I'm a big fan of critique, critiquing the scaffolding of our lives is the best thing we can do. That said...... we have nearly lost the browser wars and if we do it w…

Firefox already lost the browser wars. It's about 2%. Saying "you can use uBlock Origin instead of uBlock Origin Lite!" won't change this.

It depends a bit on the market. Firefox still has 15% desktop market share in Germany, only at second place after Chrome.

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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And I won't even notice. Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website. Mozilla gets ripped to shreds any time they're discussed, but they keep the open internet alive. I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else. I'm a big fan of critique, critiquing the scaffolding of our lives is the best thing we can do. That said...... we have nearly lost the browser wars and if we do it w…

> Firefox is probably the most divisive topic on this website.

Firefox is more divisive than AI?

Re: Google Chrome update will close the door on ad blockers

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post #292

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Man, I backported freezer v2 cgroup implementation into 4.4 kernel so these cached tasks are suspended, don't tell me how Android works please :)

What are you running, Android 9.0?

LineageOS 22.2 which is Android 15, but yes, the device originally came with Android 9.
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