HowTown has a pretty good video on the same subject: https://youtu.be/dqLM65HfVEw?is=avWFidbKxRvW3YUY
> is=avWFidbKxRvW3YUY PSA: the is (as well as pp ) parameter is for tracking. If possible try to trim it.
roger that, if possible trim pp.
A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown
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Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown
#322I recently finished rewatching The Three Body Problem in which (spoilers follow) the world panics and goes into overdrive because an alien invasion is due in... 400 years. If the current climate trends continue, vast areas of the Earth may not be suitable for habitation within half that time, and we still can't seem to convince some people this is real. Granted I was a climate change skeptic myself until about 10 yea…
I’ve come to terms with the fact that there is no stopping human consumption. It is simply not possible to get enough people to reduce to make an impact. The failure of the environment movements over the last 60 years are proof. The only way is ‘up and out’ developing clean, cheap methods of energy generation and lobbying to get that infrastructure built out as quickly as possible. At this point, investing more in Fo…
On top of that, I see more and more people actively resisting what they call "the degrowth mind virus". For example levelsio on Twitter. He regularly complains about EU environmental regulations and the lack of AC, or inability to set it to lower than 22 C. He sets it to 18 C (which is too cold for me to sleep, but his cup of tea I guess). And regularly posts about how hot temperatures make people dumber and drive down productivity.
What I don't see is these anti-degrowth people discussing substance with pro-degrowth people. No discussions about the merits of the idea that planet's carrying capacity has been reached or exceeded. Both camps seem to treat their thesis as a given, a religion even.
Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown
#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is sad to admit it to our Western selves, but authoritarians plan across decades, democracies across electoral terms at best. No king wants to rule over a failed state.
History is replete with destructive, stupid and failed authoritarian rulers. King John, Ferdinand VII of Spain, etc... just basic research will uncover a lifeline of reading on the topic. Check out Mao's Great Leap Forward killed millions, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Hirohito didn't work out so well, either. The list just goes on and on. Seriously, read about the Roman emperors, or the Crusades, or, for a more modern…
True and I don’t want to defend tyrants, but if we have to be fair, we have to admit history has had thousands of kings, and not everyone was mad with power. For every Caligula, there was a Marcus Aurelius. The vast majority weren’t great, nor bad, and people kept doing their thing. We only talk about the very bad ones.
My mistake was talking about authoritarians (i.e. tyrants) rather than monarchs (i.e. dynastic rule)
Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown
#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve come to terms with the fact that there is no stopping human consumption. It is simply not possible to get enough people to reduce to make an impact. The failure of the environment movements over the last 60 years are proof. The only way is ‘up and out’ developing clean, cheap methods of energy generation and lobbying to get that infrastructure built out as quickly as possible. At this point, investing more in Fo…
Ironically the "environmental" movement has in some ways actually set us back by opposing clean, safe nuclear power.
> Ironically the "environmental" movement has in some ways actually set us back by opposing clean, safe nuclear power.
Problem is it’s not exactly clean because you’ve got nuclear waste to dispose of and nobody wants it in their backyard. It’s mostly safe, but when it does go wrong it contaminates large swathes of land for thousands of years.
Its biggest problem is that it’s expensive[1].
Not only that - it’s getting more expensive.
Not only that - it will never achieve economies of scale.
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3A3-Learning-curves-...
Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ve come to terms with the fact that there is no stopping human consumption. It is simply not possible to get enough people to reduce to make an impact. The failure of the environment movements over the last 60 years are proof. The only way is ‘up and out’ developing clean, cheap methods of energy generation and lobbying to get that infrastructure built out as quickly as possible. At this point, investing more in Fo…
> It is simply not possible to get enough people to reduce to make an impact What are you talking about? The united states is currently ~-30% off peak carbon emissions.
How much of that reduction has been achieved by outsourcing the production to China/other places?
Are there good links to articles/papers where proper accounting has been done?
Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Capital needs to understand it’s in its interest to fix the problem and it will be fixed You’re looking at Capital as a monolithic block. The problem is that the majority of the Capital at the moment sits with the block that can only function by burning more fossil fuels and mowing down the last of the forests to extract natural resources. The private equity firm that owns private beach resorts will never be able t…
Since 1990, global deforestation has improved by 50%. It is still net negative, but the rate of net loss is way down from 100 years ago.
Because there is so much less to cut down? And what is remaining is harder to reach/extract from?
Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown
#327I recently finished rewatching The Three Body Problem in which (spoilers follow) the world panics and goes into overdrive because an alien invasion is due in... 400 years. If the current climate trends continue, vast areas of the Earth may not be suitable for habitation within half that time, and we still can't seem to convince some people this is real. Granted I was a climate change skeptic myself until about 10 yea…
"The second I pull this lever, the entire world as you know it will end in 56 years!"
Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown
#328I recently finished rewatching The Three Body Problem in which (spoilers follow) the world panics and goes into overdrive because an alien invasion is due in... 400 years. If the current climate trends continue, vast areas of the Earth may not be suitable for habitation within half that time, and we still can't seem to convince some people this is real. Granted I was a climate change skeptic myself until about 10 yea…
Well, EU is convinced it's a real problem, but the only solution they are considering is to reduce emissions largely via degrowth. OTOH to actually solve the problem we'd need geoengineering and cheap energy e.g. from fission. Just spamming more solar does not help during winter, and EU solution seems to be "maybe you should just die".
Spamming solar in Sahara + DC cables to Europe still feels more realistic than fission. Not destabilising Libya would have helped ... whole another can of worms.
Geoengineering (depending on how it is done) is prime hubris. Are we sure we won't screw things even worse?
Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown
#329Hmm, Science just had a news article saying the AMOC was doing OK: https://www.science.org/content/article/ocean-current-warms-...
You see the words "suggest" and "may" in the subhead yeah?
Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown
#330Quick pay more taxes! That will stop it!
Has to be the dumbest common response to climate change. You're against one potential method of reducing carbon emissions, therefore the problem doesn't exist. Well done.