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AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by vel0city »

distances wrote: post #98
l23k4 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a 16 year old not use their own card?

Would they be given their own credit card, or would it be under the parents? Over here minors can't enter into debt contracts like credit cards, so it'd be a direct debit until they are adults.

The minor wouldn't be the actual person entering a debt contract here, the parents are agreeing to be responsible for the debt. The minor is only an authorized cardholder.

Think business accounts. The name on the card might be some agent of the company but they're not directly responsible for paying the debt. The business is responsible for the debt.

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Post by weezing »

vrganj wrote: post #64
jcndbdbdb wrote: post #54

Bankrupted... $6000 Sure

> The average income in India is approximately ₹3.85 Lakh to ₹4.2 Lakh (roughly $4,600 USD) per year, Just as an example. But even in the rich world, not everyone has the same resources. Some of my blue collar friends would be ruined by a surprise 6k bill.

I doubt blue collar friends would outsource anything to a clanker.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by jraph »

ratsimihah wrote: post #167
ggm wrote: post #2

Asking for donations to pay the AWS bill from the people they fired the agentic code at is the cherry on the icing of the banana supreme. If real, tragically funny. If fictive, we'll written.

Wait do you reckon that could be fictive? The thought didn't cross my mind and I had a blast reading it. I sure hope it was real.

FWIW a friend of mine who's part of DN42 told me they had seen it live (but didn't pay much attention) and that it was a bit funny when I shared that link with him.

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Post by brazzy »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #293
brazzy wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a child goes through the checkout at the grocery store with cash, can the parent march in and demand a refund because "he's underage so the contract is void"? Depends on the jurisdiction, of course. But for example in German law, the contract is not void exactly because and only if it was about daily necessities of low value - the law does, in fact, care very literally and explicitly about those details. So it's…

Well fair enough, although I find that rather surprising. If I understand you correctly selling anything more expensive than cheap food to a child carries a high degree of risk in Germany. Then again, maybe making it impossible for a child to pawn expensive items for cash isn't such a bad idea. At least there shouldn't be any loopholes given the way Germany went about it.

> If I understand you correctly selling anything more expensive than cheap food to a child carries a high degree of risk in Germany.

Basically yes - the limit is generally considered to be the amount of monthly pocket money children typically get, so around 20 EUR for a 10 year old. And it would be possible for the seller to ask for a signed note of consent from the parent.

And of course the risk is limited to possibly having to revert the sale, which would be fairly rare for things that are just somewhat over that limit. Educated guess about how high the risk is for any given case are probably not hard.

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Post by npodbielski »

Perz1val wrote: post #197
Terr_ wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's tied to the design. With humans, you have a train of thought which you can choose to represent in various ways--or not reveal them at all. In contrast, LLMs are make-document-longer machines being run over and over on alternating revisions of the document. Insofar as one might try arguing they have a "train of thought", it's made of the words/tokens. Everything they (don't-)emit is partly for the benefit of the…

> Imagine a film-noir movie script, where AI Detective's "I know Mickey couldn't have done it because" monologue is hidden, versus their terse dialogue "Too early to say." That's an idea. Bladerunner+noir like film, AIs hunt somebody on the run, an old human detective tries to catch them first (to save them or to kill them first, whatever's your propaganda). We're shown AIs constantly rambling scenarios and bruteforc…

I would watch that.

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Post by brazzy »

Symbiote wrote: post #305
brazzy wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a child goes through the checkout at the grocery store with cash, can the parent march in and demand a refund because "he's underage so the contract is void"? Depends on the jurisdiction, of course. But for example in German law, the contract is not void exactly because and only if it was about daily necessities of low value - the law does, in fact, care very literally and explicitly about those details. So it's…

Can a German child buy non-essential expensive things, like a concert ticket, console, Warhammer or whatever? (Or a video game, back when those were sold in shops.) I bought these things while a child in the UK. I'm sure Games Workshop would have offered a refund on something unopened if my parents had demanded it, but I'm fairly sure the ticket agency would not.

The generally agreed limit (also established in court cases) is the amount of pocket money a child of the given age typically gets per month. For a 10 year old, that's about 20 EUR, for a 16 year old about 50 EUR. A console would definitely be too expensive, as would be big name concert tickets. Unless it's a recent AAA title, video games would be OK. No idea what Warhammer costs these days.

Most retailers are probably willing to take the risk of maybe having to do a refund, unless it's something really expensive (or perishable/consumable).

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Post by gnunicorn »

flowerthoughts wrote: post #66

> I have deployed five AWS m8g.12xlarge instances. Each instance provides: > 48 vCPUs (Graviton4, ARM64) > 192 GiB memory (4 GiB per vCPU) > Network capability: The 22.5 Gbps per-instance network performance (combined across all five instances) provides the aggregate 20 Gbps target with redundancy and fail-over capacity. Oh wow. Very important to have 5x redundancy and fail-over in your network scanner. Especially be…

Sounds like the default k8s setup every startup deploys to not fail it single digit number of users. It learned from the best

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by csomar »

dannyw wrote: post #240
csomar wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> strict budget How does that work in the case of AWS? Are you confusing alerts to caps?

I meant a strict budget given by my parents (and I could ask for more with justification). One of the valuable lessons I have learned is that there's no spending caps on AWS, but it taught me to set up billing alerts :)

You haven’t addressed the issue though? That or you don’t understand the issue (or think you have developed some super powers that make you perfect careful)
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