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Can’t wait till that turns into “regulatory capture”
Only if there are corrupt regulators.
That's a given.
Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
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#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they're not training on the data How would you know that? You can only know what they say they will do with the data.
Civilization is built on trust, otherwise you’ll need to rebuild all of it yourself. This isn’t very different.
We’ve repeatedly watched that trust abused and exploited in these last few years, in both public and private sectors (including specifically in this field). I broadly agree with you, but I tend to think it’s a finite resource that’s eroding rapidly just now.
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#323It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…
After the AI companies just blatanty lying that they weren't hoovering up people's IP and art for training I assume they collect any and all data they can get their hands on for training. When it comes to the big AI players feeding their future models I 100% just assume that they suck up any data we send them. Am I cynical?
> When it comes to the big AI players feeding their future models I 100% just assume that they suck up any data we send them. Am I cynical?
There is a reason enterprise contracts and plans exist. And I think even on that account we're going to find out at some point that LLMs are training on that extremely useful data.
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#324this seems like a non starter completely
Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
#325It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…
After the AI companies just blatanty lying that they weren't hoovering up people's IP and art for training I assume they collect any and all data they can get their hands on for training. When it comes to the big AI players feeding their future models I 100% just assume that they suck up any data we send them. Am I cynical?
I think it's very likely. This is the reason why I stay on GitHub Copilot business for the time being as a solo developer. I assume that Microsoft has less incentive than Antrophic to break the business agreement and use data for training or re-sell it to Antrophic. If I was using the heavily discounted subscription plan from Antrophic, I would 100% assume everything is fed to the machine. I'd rather pay whatever the API costs, than give it an exact recipe to build my product.
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#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
Closed models just don't show this thinking process directly to the user
Depends on harness.
No, I mean they don't show it at all in their API to prevent distillation. The reasoning is encrypted and only accessible by their server. They sometimes show a summary of the reasoning, but it's not the same as the actual contents of the reasoning.
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They seemed to have changed the wording since you posted the comment, now specifying exactly 30 days with seemingly no exceptions. These terms seem to be updated at-will, so I'll take that with a grain of salt however.
I'm not sure they can actually respect that 30 days absolute commitment. Let's say some internal tool flags a suspect conversation, it bubbles up and a human operator reads it and it looks like evidence of a crime. Then, that employee is legally bound in many jurisdictions to prevent the destruction of that piece of evidence. It's one thing to commit to a "everything is deleted when you press delete" automatic policy…
It's probably been updated several times (why does it even matter what it says now if they can update the terms at will), but now it says:
> After 30 days, the data is deleted automatically, except in the rare cases where it's part of a safety investigation or we're legally required to keep it.
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#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends on harness.
No, I mean they don't show it at all in their API to prevent distillation. The reasoning is encrypted and only accessible by their server. They sometimes show a summary of the reasoning, but it's not the same as the actual contents of the reasoning.
Thanks I didn't know that.
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
Civilization is also built on cheating and taking advantage of naive trust. This isn’t very different.
If that were dominantly true nothing would function at all. You trust and rely on thousands of people and services every day. As others have said, if you're this skeptical I don't see why you would have been using them before this retention increase.
>If that were dominantly true nothing would function at all
And yet it is, and most things still function. Now what?
>You trust and rely on thousands of people and services every day
And I, and everybody else, distrusts and tries not to rely on thousands of people and services every day too.
Do you lock your car? Or your door? Do you use your username as password trusting nobody would stoop so low as to break it? Do you trust the goverment to put your tax money to good use? Do you trust emails with great offers from websites you didn't subscribe to? Do you trust companies not to sell your personal data?
>As others have said, if you're this skeptical I don't see why you would have been using them before this retention increase.
Because they have a technically more capable offering. For absolutely no other reason.