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Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by infecto »

joe_mamba wrote: post #314
infecto wrote: post #313

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China is just as much of a guilty party as the “west” could be. From massive corporate espionage, open stealing of western IP, blocking western companies from entering markets. It is foolish to think they are not at some level an adversary. I would still absolutely buy a BYD car but China plays the same game, maybe even better, and that the west has also played for decades.

>From massive corporate espionage, open stealing of western IP, blocking western companies from entering markets. "the west" did the same. You can't play fairly if your opponents never did.

Did I not already say that? Both are just as guilty but your original thesis is simply wrong. Sorry.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by joe_mamba »

infecto wrote: post #321
joe_mamba wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>From massive corporate espionage, open stealing of western IP, blocking western companies from entering markets. "the west" did the same. You can't play fairly if your opponents never did.

Did I not already say that? Both are just as guilty but your original thesis is simply wrong. Sorry.

Why is it wrong? China is just playing the greedy globalist capitalist game the west has created, but they haven't bombed foreign countries or kidnapped their leaders like the US has, so from that perspective China is not a military threat to us, they're just ruthless competitors. So you are the one who's wrong.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by hylaride »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #166
quijoteuniv wrote: post #162

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Vertical integration matters. If BYD controls much of the chain from the mine to the ship, they’re not paying everyone else’s margin along the way. That can translate into more car for the money. I own a BYD Tang, so I’m biased, but the value for money has been hard to beat. Scale probably helps too. When you sell millions of cars using many of the same parts, availability is better and parts are more likely to stay…

> Vertical integration matters. If BYD controls much of the chain from the mine to the ship, they’re not paying everyone else’s margin along the way. That can translate into more car for the money. This is interesting. Wasn't the idea in Europe (and maybe elsewhere, too, no idea) that outsourcing components would lead to economies of scale? After all, a Mercedes or BMW or VW seat is still roughly a seat? It's interes…

Outsourcing to somebody that can drive higher volumes for components can be cheaper, as they can amortize the manufacturing equipment over more widgets. If a car seat is just a car seat, then outsourcing makes sense. However, if you need to customize it or add some other value (heated seats, electronic movement, etc) then unless everybody is doing the exact same thing, you need to bring at least some of the components in house and/or pay for it.

The same is true in many industries. TSMC has dominated fabing chips because they scale wafers over many more customers, whereas intel mostly only focused on its own chips. The results was more expensive all around. (Intel also had to deal with bad western accounting attitudes to CAPEX spending, which IMHO is a huge reason so much manufacturing left North America, though lower costs also played a role).

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by acdha »

piltdownman wrote: post #247
acdha wrote: post #108

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> The reason most people still believe that Chinese-made stuff is poor quality is because they will do what they are told and they are usually told “make this as cheap as possible” by whoever is paying the bills. I’m reminded of all the dismissals people made about the skill levels of Indian software developers when the explanation was that the more skilled ones knew they could do better than the MBAs were offering t…

Also because of the appalling track record of QA/QC, and subsequent cover-ups, at every level of government and enterprise from regional to national. In the 2008 milk Scandal, for example, the offending company Sanlu were aware of infants becoming sick December 2007, but refused to test until June 2008. Shijiazhuang city governance failed to report the contamination to provincial and state authorities September 2008…

Yes, not having QA is one of the ways unscrupulous businesses boost profits. The answer isn't to say “everyone in China is like that” any more than it was to say “every meat packer in the United States will serve you dog meat and pink slime” but to accept that some things need to cost more.

I would also note that in the case of that melamine incident 2 decades ago, several of the business leaders involved got death sentences which seems relevant to the question of how much the larger country supports it. For example, I note that no member of the Sackler family has failed to die rich out of prison.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by infecto »

joe_mamba wrote: post #322
infecto wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did I not already say that? Both are just as guilty but your original thesis is simply wrong. Sorry.

Why is it wrong? China is just playing the greedy globalist capitalist game the west has created, but they haven't bombed foreign countries or kidnapped their leaders like the US has, so from that perspective China is not a military threat to us, they're just ruthless competitors. So you are the one who's wrong.

Whataboutism is a weak argument. China is an equal player on the world stage when it comes to propensity to harm. From the many human rights violations over the years, how they orchestrated the takeover of Hong Kong, frequent border disputes that continue to happen and the continuous posturing of naval fleets. I am not saying one is better or worse than the other but don’t confuse yourself, China is absolutely a threat to global peace.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by joe_mamba »

infecto wrote: post #325
joe_mamba wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it wrong? China is just playing the greedy globalist capitalist game the west has created, but they haven't bombed foreign countries or kidnapped their leaders like the US has, so from that perspective China is not a military threat to us, they're just ruthless competitors. So you are the one who's wrong.

Whataboutism is a weak argument. China is an equal player on the world stage when it comes to propensity to harm. From the many human rights violations over the years, how they orchestrated the takeover of Hong Kong, frequent border disputes that continue to happen and the continuous posturing of naval fleets. I am not saying one is better or worse than the other but don’t confuse yourself, China is absolutely a thre…

>Whataboutism is a weak argument.

Whataboutism is the magic gotcha card invoked when people have no answers to the absolutely fair question "why is X allowed to do Y but Z is not allowed to do Y".

If there's no hypocritical double standards then you'd have an answer instead of calling whataboutism.

>From the many human rights violations over the years

Their problem, not ours. Just don't buy stuff made in china and write to your politicians to stop sending your manufacturing jobs there out of greed of stonks go up like they've been doing for 30 years, if you want to do anything about it.

>how they orchestrated the takeover of Hong Kong

The British gave it to them. US also took over several overseas territories. Where's the hubbub there?

>frequent border disputes that continue to happen and the continuous posturing of naval fleets

Again, their problem to deal with not ours. I don't want to police and get involved in centuries old conflicts on other side of the planet that have nothing to do with us. I only care what happens in my backyard. Feel free to go join the Indian military and help them fight China if you actually care that much about it.

>China is absolutely a threat to global peace.

Then US is an even bigger threat. And still I don't want to go to war with them.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by slaw »

DangitBobby wrote: post #306
radiorental wrote: post #300

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While true, imho its more complicated than that * PE, on the whole, has extracted wealth from quality. This is true at both the consumer level and B2B. E.g. its impossible to trust any aftermarket car part manufacturer, and some OEM brands have turned to dogshit too. * "most people just buy trash at WalMart and Amazon" I'd rephrase that to: most people either can't or are unwilling to pay the premium for quality in a…

I'm very willing to pay a premium for quality, I just can't seem to find any reliable signal for quality before buying. Price and brand are both increasingly meaningless signals.

I buy Xiaomi products. I know I get high quality products. From Xiaomi Kettle to Xiaomi SU7

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaomi_SU7

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by infecto »

joe_mamba wrote: post #327
infecto wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whataboutism is a weak argument. China is an equal player on the world stage when it comes to propensity to harm. From the many human rights violations over the years, how they orchestrated the takeover of Hong Kong, frequent border disputes that continue to happen and the continuous posturing of naval fleets. I am not saying one is better or worse than the other but don’t confuse yourself, China is absolutely a thre…

>Whataboutism is a weak argument. Whataboutism is the magic gotcha card invoked when people have no answers to the absolutely fair question "why is X allowed to do Y but Z is not allowed to do Y". If there's no hypocritical double standards then you'd have an answer instead of calling whataboutism. >From the many human rights violations over the years Their problem, not ours. Just don't buy stuff made in china and wr…

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Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by km3r »

King-Aaron wrote: post #201
km3r wrote: post #198

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Are western companies able to freely compete in China? Last I checked, no, they need local partners at best, or are blocked completely at worst. And not just American but any outside company.

What their government does in regards to local industry is effectively what donald trump is attempting to do with the US economy. Except they do it well.

And I don't approve of Trump doing it either. And I'd certainly call it Trump being hostile to the entire world.
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