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A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by godelski »

goda90 wrote: post #57
Fogest wrote: post #33

I still feel so conflicted on things like the Flock cameras. On one hand I understand that they have the capability of incredibly enhancing the ability for police departments to solve more crimes. Especially things related to vehicle theft, they could likely track down your stolen vehicle very quickly especially if they have a wide network of cameras. However, my concern is always about the possibility for misuse. Ev…

What if instead of trying to figure out how to catch criminals, we focus on building a society where no one wants to be a criminal? Can we find solutions to what causes crime, like desperation, greed, fear, failure to understand and have compassion for other people, etc?

I think people miss that this is a possibility. Yet it's fairly easy to see that when more people become homeless more bicycles get stolen off the street. Idk about you, but I'd have to be pretty desperate to steal a bicycle. Idk about you, but if I was living on the street struggling you find food, I'd be pretty desperate. I mean FFS you don't even have a stove to cook ramen. And where are you going to get the money to afford a camping stove?

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by Barbing »

jrmg wrote: post #78
Barbing wrote: post #38

Flat black circles on top of traffic signal control boxes, which are large, gray or painted metal boxes, typically found at street corners. The Acyclica device casts a fake Wi-Fi network and tracks phones that try to join the network in passing cars. Since each phone has a unique identifier …, different Acyclica installations can track your personal location as you pass them in the city. Is iOS latest susceptible on…

No.

Oh good, had hoped not, thanks

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by m3047 »

Fogest wrote: post #70
m3047 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of moot if, when the police allegedly call you to report finding your stolen car, they use misleading caller ID and don't leave a message.

Not really sure what this has to do with my comment, it just sounds like you're airing a personal grievance with an individual in a police department.

It not "definitely" but rather "definitely possible" that cameras could be used for safety, or that the police could work for the citizenry. But they don't. They're inclined not to share info, including that they're the police when ostensibly they're trying to help you by calling you to tell you that they found your stolen car. So instead what happens is you never get the call (and there's no real proof they called), and the tow company with the City contract gets paid because now you have to go pick it up at the impound lot.

But I have my neighbors to thank for really showing me where their priorities lie: the plague of rabbits which was ignored for three months until it was so bad that they collected over 30 rabbits, the person who threw burnt moulding from inside his house over the fence into my yard before he finally set the house on fire for real but the police didn't want to see the moulding or take a police report and wanted me to go talk to them. Just a couple of highlights.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by awesome_dude »

verisimi wrote: post #317
awesome_dude wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, we believe nothing? Or, we demand evidence that what you assert about this set of statistics is accurate

Given that you can just throw money at the solution you want to engineer, and create the illusion of science, perhaps believing nothing is a better position to be in. At least you're not buying into what is essentially just another avenue of corporate or governance marketing. And sorry for bringing information to your attention. Just wait till you hear about how corporates fund law.

How do we know that your cynicism isn't funded by corporates in an attempt to undermine the real science?

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by Gigachad »

bombcar wrote: post #293
Gigachad wrote: post #245

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An intuitive way to understand it is imagining that there was a system where if you stole something, you 100% of the time got hit with a charge to your account of the item value + $10. No one would steal again even if the penalty for getting caught was relatively nothing. Because the feedback loop is so short and guaranteed. No ones life would be ruined over a dumb choice and yet they would change their behavior very…

You have to deal with the judgement-proof somehow. There’s effectively two sets of laws - one for those with something to lose (fines, etc) and one for those with nothing to lose.

It’s still the same. If you steal something and have no money you lose the item and get some small penalty, perhaps a day in jail. If there is absolutely no chance you’d get away with it, everyone quickly realises there is no point.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by verisimi »

awesome_dude wrote: post #324
verisimi wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that you can just throw money at the solution you want to engineer, and create the illusion of science, perhaps believing nothing is a better position to be in. At least you're not buying into what is essentially just another avenue of corporate or governance marketing. And sorry for bringing information to your attention. Just wait till you hear about how corporates fund law.

How do we know that your cynicism isn't funded by corporates in an attempt to undermine the real science?

You don't. How do you know your trust in corporates isn't an understandably conditioned response, given 13+ years of education?

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by awesome_dude »

verisimi wrote: post #326
awesome_dude wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do we know that your cynicism isn't funded by corporates in an attempt to undermine the real science?

You don't. How do you know your trust in corporates isn't an understandably conditioned response, given 13+ years of education?

That's weird - where can you point to me having any such trust?

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by titzer »

hammock wrote: post #99
drnick1 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you suggest we move to then, China?

The countryside. Near-zero public surveillance, near-zero violent crime, and conservative sheriffs and juries who work to keep it that way.

"Run to the hills" is a heckuva a way to deal with the breakdown of the rule of law.

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by hammock »

titzer wrote: post #328
hammock wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The countryside. Near-zero public surveillance, near-zero violent crime, and conservative sheriffs and juries who work to keep it that way.

"Run to the hills" is a heckuva a way to deal with the breakdown of the rule of law.

I mean it’s what people have been doing for all of civilization. It’s that or war

Re: A walking tour of surveillance infrastructure in Seattle (2020)

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Post by verisimi »

awesome_dude wrote: post #327
verisimi wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't. How do you know your trust in corporates isn't an understandably conditioned response, given 13+ years of education?

That's weird - where can you point to me having any such trust?

I'm presuming that is the case, because you are questioning my straightforward and obvious suggestion that funding by corporations can provide whatever statistics you like. Feel free to explain your actual position if you want.
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