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Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Post by zelphirkalt »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #203
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libre Office is fine standalone but as soon as you have to exchange files with other businesses you are often pretty much forced to use MS Office. Sad but true.

Most use PDF for exchanges anyway, as there is no guarantee the receiver system has all the document components/features used to author content. 10% of users with MacOS Office 2019 installs just got NERF'd by Microsoft. This story will not encourage users to spend more money on a disappearing rabbit trick. =3

The critical point is collaboration on a document. I wish LO had this. You know, like other collaborative editors online, where you can see the other person's cursor and inputs live and all that, with a conflict free data structure driving it all. LO needs this, if it ever wants to replace MS Word in businesses. Even if it would be totally fine for most situations to edit sequentially, there are those cases, when multiple cooks are trying to change a company document, and now they can't, and need to be in a call, to organize their editing or share their writing ideas, because the tool doesn't allow them to edit at the same time.

It does not even have to be in a web UI or browser. Just somehow make it possible to easily connect and edit collaboratively. I know, I know, it is a huge ask, unfortunately.

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Post by zelphirkalt »

cube00 wrote: post #262
msla wrote: post #147

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Every time someone imagines a country going after Microsoft in a serious way these days, I wonder how much that country's government depends on Microsoft software and cloud infrastructure, and if that country imagines Microsoft would continue to allow them to use such things if they become an enemy of Microsoft in court.

They're working on it, they've recently stopped allowing the Australian government to be treated a single customer. [1] While each agency still gets the same whole of government pricing for the next five years, I worry the next step is to make each agency negotiate their own individual licences, which squeezes the smaller ones with no bargaining power. [1]: https://www.itnews.com.au/news/fed-gov-faces-major-m365-lice…

More incentives to move off MS products. MS sales and marketing are just geniuses! I hope one day they will eat the consequences.

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Post by Paianni »

userbinator wrote: post #120
mghackerlady wrote: post #95

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Right, but if you bought office 2000 it was established that you would get to keep using office 2000 for as long as you wanted

There are probably still a minority using Office 2000 out there, because it still does everything they need.

There was an OOXML compatibility layer for Office 2000, though the latest version of that only runs on Win XP and later, but I suspect LibreOffice would be more compatible with OOXML made with current versions of Office.

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Post by guidedlight »

fithisux wrote: post #253

There are many open source alternatives/upgrades to M$$$ products. No reason to keep using them. Literally none. I have been a happy exclusive only user of OO/LibeOffice since 2004. Some times I needed to use MSOffice for a paper. It was always problematic. I haven't use VS since 2007. I migrated to gcc. Never had a problem. SQLServer? Only for demo and at work just to pull or save data. Postgres always saved the day…

I think you are missing the point.

It’s about software preservation and abiding by the implied expectations at the time of sale.

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Post by 9dev »

nrub wrote: post #181
vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #148

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Libre Office is fine standalone but as soon as you have to exchange files with other businesses you are often pretty much forced to use MS Office. Sad but true.

Just because they don't know how to use a computer well, doesn't mean you can't teach them.

Uh-huh. Sorry mate, I'm not in the business of unwarrantedly lecturing my customers or authorities about technical correctness. But if that floats your boat…

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Post by theandrewbailey »

deaton wrote: post #107
IFC_LLC wrote: post #50

The best company to do Microsoft in is Microsoft. They are responsible for awesome sales of MacBook Neo.

As the old adage goes, "the day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck will be the day they start making vacuum cleaners"

But a vacuum cleaner that doesn't suck... still sucks.

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Post by lazide »

rocqua wrote: post #267
msla wrote: post #147

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Every time someone imagines a country going after Microsoft in a serious way these days, I wonder how much that country's government depends on Microsoft software and cloud infrastructure, and if that country imagines Microsoft would continue to allow them to use such things if they become an enemy of Microsoft in court.

Microsoft themselves won’t do that. They are already under severe scrutiny internationally for fear of the US using Microsoft as leverage. They don’t want to stoke those fears. Once they do something like this, everyone who has been saying “stick with Microsoft services, they are the cheapest option compared to doing it ourselves, and have the lowest business continuity risk” will lose that argument at the same time.…

Just because someone doing something would be stupid and self destructive long term doesn’t mean they won’t do it.
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