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Re: Leave Me Behind

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The better AI gets, the closer it gets, yes.

It really depends how you use it. There's a whole spectrum from "do it yourself" to "get the AI to do everything". Its up to each person, on each project, to decide what amongst all of that work is actually worth human time. I don't enjoy CSS, so I delegate that to an LLM. Just like I don't like writing assembly by hand, so I delegate that to a compiler. So what?

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Yeah so don't bother. I don't write code at home. What's the point? I go on holiday once a month!

So, you don't even work on personal projects? But you want to lecture everyone else about how to do them correctly (according to you)? What a waste of time.

I spent years working on personal projects.

Back to 1988.

Think I have a fair bit of experience.

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It really depends how you use it. There's a whole spectrum from "do it yourself" to "get the AI to do everything". Its up to each person, on each project, to decide what amongst all of that work is actually worth human time. I don't enjoy CSS, so I delegate that to an LLM. Just like I don't like writing assembly by hand, so I delegate that to a compiler. So what?

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Re: Leave Me Behind

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My experience programming is so much different than theirs makes me wonder what I missed out on. I have always programmed on my own, and I can't even think about a single time I have talked to a person in depth about programming (both online and in person). It sounds fun and exciting, but unfortunately I have simply never had the opportunities in life to do so. For me, AI is the first time I have ever been able to ge…

Same, so we started organising workshops, super super cool and you learn so much every time. That said, if you want to meet people around any sorta topic, do it yourself: host a workshop!

You dont need to be an expert to do this. Just share what you have and encourage others to do so as well.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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AI is a tool. You can use it to make better software, or worse. In an ideal world we would use it to make better software; there’s enough bad software out there already.

Unfortunately, unfettered capitalism has few incentives to support that, and would rather we pushed out software faster with fewer people being paid less. Paying down tech debt has always been challenging.

So is the problem AI, or capitalism?

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> I still do the thinking on how to solve my problems, I only outsource the tedious part, which is typing the code and fixing the syntax errors till it all compiles and does what I want. Do you really though? Here's a question: how many times do you visit claude.ai or open Claude Code (or whatever harness you use) (or use whatever model you prefer) to help you solve a problem, ask it a question, etc.? One thing I've…

> I've been programming since I was 13 Congrats, you're in a small minority of people. >What worries me is that I fear this is happening to way, way more people than those who actually bring it up, potentially yourself included, and you just haven't yet realized it because you haven't really thought about it. People probably said the same thing about using pocket calculators when they started getting cheap and mainst…

> People probably said the same thing about using pocket calculators when they started getting cheap and mainstream in the 1970s.

Except a pocket calculator is very different from an LLM. It isn't a tool you can go to and ask it literally anything under the sun and get an answer (even if incorrect). It's cold, logical and uninterested in your life or what happens. These LLMs are trained to be interested and empathetic. They are, IMO, way more like drugs than most other things.

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It shouldn't be used for that either. The problem is our programming languages and tools are shit so we made another expensive tool to drive them. I've said this elsewhere before but I single-handedly produced more actual tangible business value with Microsoft Access than anything else since. What was an hour's work is now a procurement process and thousands of lines of tedious configuration and boilerplate that invo…

Recently, I had some data for which I wanted some graphs. I uploaded the .jsonl file, and prompted "make a html page and graph this data using plotly". I wanted a report, and got a report, quicker than I could have made it myself.

Not sure why you got downvoted, but I agree with your take. It's now so much easier to one-shot such small task that are supposed to be one-and-done, instead of needing a small army of interns or juniors with would typically handle such non-business critical tasks.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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> I've been programming since I was 13 Congrats, you're in a small minority of people. >What worries me is that I fear this is happening to way, way more people than those who actually bring it up, potentially yourself included, and you just haven't yet realized it because you haven't really thought about it. People probably said the same thing about using pocket calculators when they started getting cheap and mainst…

> People probably said the same thing about using pocket calculators when they started getting cheap and mainstream in the 1970s. Except a pocket calculator is very different from an LLM. It isn't a tool you can go to and ask it literally anything under the sun and get an answer (even if incorrect). It's cold, logical and uninterested in your life or what happens. These LLMs are trained to be interested and empatheti…

>It's cold, logical and uninterested in your life or what happens.

The entire universe is cold, logical and uninterested in your life or what happens to you. But that's exactly what I want from a machine that's supposed to be my personal slave. I don't want a lecture from it on current day political correctness and sensibilities, I just want it to do exactly what I ask it no matter how rude or machiavellian it may be. Whoever will deliver this type of unhinged obedient slave to the masses(most likely China), will win the AI race.

> These LLMs are trained to be interested and empathetic.

Luckily there's already like a dozen LLMs at this point, many free and open source, especially from China, and I and many others will just pick the one that isn't trained to be interested and empathetic, but the one that's my personal slave and does exactly what I want from it, because of the competition between them will allow this freedom of choice.

In 5-15 years when semiconductor shortages ease up and hardware advances a bit more, there's a chance offline open LLMs in your pocket will be as obliquus as pocket calculators were in the 80s.

>They are, IMO, way more like drugs than most other things.

So was music, TV, video games, porn, etc. when they became mainstream. We adapted and survived.

I'm more scared about the state of world peace, economy, CoL, jobs and housing market than of LLMs being addicted.

There's millions of people on the planet who are a couple of meals away from hunger and rioting and migrating to other countries, and a climate catastrophe or one more wars could destabilize the whole planet for good, than LLMs being addictive. If LLMs are your biggest concern, you're in a very privileged position.

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