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Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by totalhack »

plaidfuji wrote: post #311

Our shop is forced to use Copilot on gov cloud, and it’s so useless I usually stick to manually coding. Its syntax is messy, it randomly combines lines together, flips order, or drops a couple tokens worth of output in the middle of a line, and for some reason it consistently drops the last line of every code block. I assume we’re getting a few versions back of GPT under the hood. But it does make me appreciate how t…

If you are talking about the Copilot built into vs code, that's not been my recent experience at all. Very capable in agent mode since gpt 5.4 came out.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by trollbridge »

ekidd wrote: post #315
ggititel wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps for now. But you know, after working solid with AI for two years and adopting effective methods using detailed plans, and having a lot of success with it, here is the problem: Coding faster leads to less understanding and higher long-term risk. Source-Code amnesia is real, and there’s a time requirement to really understand and appreciate what a system is actually doing. I’ve been able to implement very large…

> Coding faster leads to less understanding and higher long-term risk. Source-Code amnesia is real, and there’s a time requirement to really understand and appreciate what a system is actually doing. This is why I have switched nearly all of my personal coding experiments over to Qwen3.6 27B. Opus make it easy to gloss over too much and to delegate too much. And so I don't build sufficient memory of the code to provi…

Strong agree (although I'm on Qwen3.6-35B-A3B, with 6-bit quant.). If you're a programmer, it gets the job done. When I occasionally don't want to care about the code, I switch over to DeepSeek V4 Pro.

Opus is relegated to the planning / design phase.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by cpeterso »

samastur wrote: post #274
EdwardDiego wrote: post #245

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I went to 4.7, didn't have a choice, found it unsatisfactory, then Claude quietly added in the option to use 4.6, so I'm back on 4.6, and I'm not the only one in my company. I had far more hallucinations with 4.7 than 4.6. I'll try it again after a few more months for them to get it right, but 4.6 is what changed my mind on LLMs as a tool, and 4.7 felt like a step backwards, so for now I'm sticking with something tha…

How did you manage to do that? /model command returns only 4 choices for me: Opus 4.7, two Sonnet options and Haiku.

I’ve read (but haven’t tested yet) that you can still enable Opus 4.6 with:

  /model claude-opus-4-6[1M]

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by trollbridge »

krzyk wrote: post #314
mschuster91 wrote: post #295

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Where to, that's the question. The economy is in the gutters and the replace-people-with-AI craze is making the issue even worse.

Now as you can see from the article, it starts turning. People are getting less pricey than agents on API pricing. Copilot switches to API pricing starting next month (let's see how long it will last for our $39, and $19 since September), Anthropic switches all corps into API based pricing. From the most popular choices I think only Codex didn't switch yet (although it is hard to tell because I don't know their enter…

The Chinese models are going to look really attractive.

I have DS-V4-Pro agents pretty much running 24/7. The cost is inconsequential. The same cannot be said for anything from Anthropic.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by trollbridge »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #229
comboy wrote: post #194

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Curious if anyone around here stayed on 4.6 (having a choice to use 4.7)

4.7 turned out to be a disaster in multilingual settings, so I sticked to 4.6 so far. 4.7 seemed to be optimized for (very specific slice of) coding at the expense of everything else.

It also seems to be designed to optimising the design / planning phase of a typical programming project.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by RA_Fisher »

__mharrison__ wrote: post #292
RA_Fisher wrote: post #263

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Claude Code will write the whole thing for you. Whereas doesn’t Copilot require input along the way of coding? ie- it doesn’t do all the programming for you

If you give Copilot a file with a list of tasks to complete, it will try to churn through them (just like most other harness would do these days).

Ah okay, can it work on a whole repo in an agentic way?

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Post by ggititel »

maplethorpe wrote: post #317
ggititel wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps for now. But you know, after working solid with AI for two years and adopting effective methods using detailed plans, and having a lot of success with it, here is the problem: Coding faster leads to less understanding and higher long-term risk. Source-Code amnesia is real, and there’s a time requirement to really understand and appreciate what a system is actually doing. I’ve been able to implement very large…

> It cannot design software, and any appearance of such is an illusion at best. Have you tried Claude Opus 4.7?

Yes I use Opus 4.7 regularly as my daily AI tool. It can do incredible things for sure, but more in the sense of pure intellect not much in “emotional” or “creative” intelligence.

For example you might have a great design/architecture session and then run out of context. The next agent tries to piece things together from fragments of conversation and such. But it often starts going off on tangents, searching overly broad to understand, misses cues and nuance, all-the-while burning tokens.

As other articles have put it: AI makes doing the easy things easier and the hard things harder. Because hard things require creativity.

To bring this back to the original post: companies need people, and they shouldn’t expect that they can fire half their workforce and replace it with AI. Quite the contrary. The faster companies move with AI the more technical debt they’ll end up with it’s a guarantee.

“If you want to travel fast, go alone. If you want to travel far, go together.”

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by [deleted] »

Insanity wrote: post #249
iamflimflam1 wrote: post #157

From reading the article. They offered their developers both Claude code and Copilot. What they wanted was for them to use both and feedback which was better. The developers voted with their feet and didn’t use Copilot. What Microsoft were hoping was that the opposite would happen...

Wonder if Amazon will do the same with CC and Kiro now that we internally have access to both. I think Kiro might have some “first mover” advantage internally, but CC feels better to use.

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Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by la64710 »

It seems that people are using LLMs to generate code but many complain of sub par code. I recall the early days of virtualization when folks will use it but complain about performance. HW capacity continued to improve until virtualization became de facto standard. I wonder if sub par code will become better as more powerful agents models or compute become available.
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