I mean if they did this to avoid accidents and road congestions for other human drivers then it makes sense.
Waymo pauses Atlanta service as its robotaxis keep driving into floods
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Re: Waymo pauses Atlanta service as its robotaxis keep driving into floods
#322To me this doesn't seem like a disaster but just the kind of thing that happens as you role out a service and expose it to new challenges. Presumably they haven't had the chance to do a lot of flood training but now they have that chance. The huge advantage they have over people in general is that ideally if they figure this out then it will stay figured out. Then they can slowly role out and watch for the next hitch…
The huge disadvantage they have over people is that their cars cost $250k, require a workforce of people to retrieve and repair them, maintain them, clean them, monitor them, etc. They are more expensive to operate than a normal car with a human driver, so far. The break-even point requires a lot of problems to be solved, and even then, the upside is not looking to be astronomical in the best case.
They will lose to Tesla cabs, due to price and not having full control of their supply chain.
Re: Waymo pauses Atlanta service as its robotaxis keep driving into floods
#323To me this doesn't seem like a disaster but just the kind of thing that happens as you role out a service and expose it to new challenges. Presumably they haven't had the chance to do a lot of flood training but now they have that chance. The huge advantage they have over people in general is that ideally if they figure this out then it will stay figured out. Then they can slowly role out and watch for the next hitch…
The huge disadvantage they have over people is that their cars cost $250k, require a workforce of people to retrieve and repair them, maintain them, clean them, monitor them, etc. They are more expensive to operate than a normal car with a human driver, so far. The break-even point requires a lot of problems to be solved, and even then, the upside is not looking to be astronomical in the best case.
I'm glad a very wealthy company is investing in hard tech R&D. Irrespective of the projected financial outcome.
Re: Waymo pauses Atlanta service as its robotaxis keep driving into floods
#324To me this doesn't seem like a disaster but just the kind of thing that happens as you role out a service and expose it to new challenges. Presumably they haven't had the chance to do a lot of flood training but now they have that chance. The huge advantage they have over people in general is that ideally if they figure this out then it will stay figured out. Then they can slowly role out and watch for the next hitch…
The huge disadvantage they have over people is that their cars cost $250k, require a workforce of people to retrieve and repair them, maintain them, clean them, monitor them, etc. They are more expensive to operate than a normal car with a human driver, so far. The break-even point requires a lot of problems to be solved, and even then, the upside is not looking to be astronomical in the best case.
Not at all — they're working on cheaper cars that they're testing in SF, and they will probably only roll out Waymo to the wealthiest markets in the US. Think airport rides to JFK instead of a taxi that works anywhere in the country. They will be very profitable.
Re: Waymo pauses Atlanta service as its robotaxis keep driving into floods
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
If your premise is "robotaxis are so much better than human drivers" then this is almost a disaster. This is only the 10th city they've deployed to, all in the south, and nowhere there's significantly inclement weather. It does not bode well for their expansion plans.
Well, only one Waymo got stuck in that flood, while at least two human-driven cars did, so by pure counting metrics they are better lol. But in my experience driving around them Waymos are much much better than most Atlanta drivers, not that that's a high bar
the real question if you’re attempting to imply what i think you’re implying should be:
how many human driven cars decided not to drive through vs how many waymo’s decided the same?
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#326Re: Waymo pauses Atlanta service as its robotaxis keep driving into floods
#327This is really my bear case against AI. I am not against it. I actually think it is really neat! But we have been working on driverless cars for how long and spent how much? And still things like a flooded roadway completely throw them. Tesla failed to deliver driverless cars but now is pivoting to the much more complex fully autonomous robots. And we can’t get AI to stop hallucinating facts, but any day we are going…
The "responsible adults" know that chasing perfection gets you nowhere fast. A part of growing up is learning to put up with "good enough". A car that only fails in a road conditions edge case is good enough for the vast majority of cases. You accept that, and issue a manual override for when that edge case pops up. Then you add that edge case to your training sets. Then the issue never comes up again. If you think t…
That isn’t being a "responsible adult." That is an irresponsible adult shifting the blame and calling it practical.
Re: Waymo pauses Atlanta service as its robotaxis keep driving into floods
#328To me this doesn't seem like a disaster but just the kind of thing that happens as you role out a service and expose it to new challenges. Presumably they haven't had the chance to do a lot of flood training but now they have that chance. The huge advantage they have over people in general is that ideally if they figure this out then it will stay figured out. Then they can slowly role out and watch for the next hitch…
The huge disadvantage they have over people is that their cars cost $250k, require a workforce of people to retrieve and repair them, maintain them, clean them, monitor them, etc. They are more expensive to operate than a normal car with a human driver, so far. The break-even point requires a lot of problems to be solved, and even then, the upside is not looking to be astronomical in the best case.
I think Google can handle paying for any number of $250k cars to get a good share of the future of transportation.
I expect that in 10-20 years, all cars will be self driving.
Re: Waymo pauses Atlanta service as its robotaxis keep driving into floods
#329Oh, boy. I guess that means they haven't gotten to the snow phase of the testing yet.
Re: Waymo pauses Atlanta service as its robotaxis keep driving into floods
#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
What 3 year old is judging the depth of a puddle before jumping in? Regardless, consider what you are saying: how can you seriously compare a computer to a (young) human and your response is disappointment that the AI doesn't quite measure up? If it's comparable to a child today it will be comparable to a teen in a decade!
Google is claiming AGI is around the corner, isn’t that supposed to be at least comparable to a 3 year old? I assume you don’t have kids or know any kids if you don’t think they’re able to judge puddle sizes at age 3. Why shouldn’t I make the comparison? Waymo is attempting to replace human drivers. That means it needs to make something smarter than humans at driving.
The point that it is a reasonable comparison: being able to reasonably compare the performance of a lump of silicon to a human being at a complex task in the real world means the Overton window has shifted, massively, from say 5 years ago.
You compared it to a child, not a toaster. In a few years to a few decades I'm sure you will whine about how Waymo cant even measure up to Michael Schumacher and they should just throw in the towel. I mean how pathetic is it that their AGI with its petaflops of compute can't even out drive some meat bag from the previous century?