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Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Non-transferable tickets suck for their own reasons. Someone in a group gets sick or otherwise can't make it? Their seat is now either empty, or their ticket goes back to the pool. They can't give that ticket to someone else. That's a big deal for a whole slew of reasons. Let's pick just one reason and run with it. Five 11-year-old-ish girls want to go see Olivia Rodrigo. These kids haven't ever even been inside an a…

The UK is proposing a law that will make it illegal to resell a ticket for greater than the face value. That honestly seems like a very pragmatic solution to me.

Ireland has this and honestly I hate it now. It's impossible to get tickets unless you win the lottery to buy them when they first go on sale. Paying a premium to buy them on the second hand market sucked, but at least I could make that calculation and decide which bands I was willing to pay to actually see. Now, I can't see any of the big bands anymore. I just wish they'd reserve like 1/3 of the tickets for an auction system or something.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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The UK is proposing a law that will make it illegal to resell a ticket for greater than the face value. That honestly seems like a very pragmatic solution to me.

Ireland has this and honestly I hate it now. It's impossible to get tickets unless you win the lottery to buy them when they first go on sale. Paying a premium to buy them on the second hand market sucked, but at least I could make that calculation and decide which bands I was willing to pay to actually see. Now, I can't see any of the big bands anymore. I just wish they'd reserve like 1/3 of the tickets for an aucti…

Well it seems like it’s still an excellent idea to have laws like this in place but like you say also have some tickets that sell at an auctioned price

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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This sounds like what fan clubs and artists run communities are built for. Does Spotify putting itself as a middle-man help much, considering the artist has become a big enough operation to have to care about the issue in the first place ?

In an ideal world, the artist's own mailing list or fan community would be the canonical place for this, because it's closer to a direct relationship

I know areosmith, phish and the Dave Mathews band gave fan club members dibs on good tickets, though this was year ago. My friend was a huge phish fan and he’d always get a bunch of new years tickets in the 90s.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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So the scalpers will move to the black market and consumers will lose all existing protections? Nice!

Some scalpers will move to the black market. Most will quit. People dont want to go to jail.

Will depend entirely on enforcement I guess

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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> Why should anything be done? Because there is demand for it. A lot of people like going to live music and theatre events and scalpers make it more difficult and more expensive for them. Why shouldn't anything be done? Because capitalism is God?

A lot of people like going to live music and theatre events and scalpers make it more difficult and more expensive for them Scalpers make it possible to get a ticket at market price, instead of maybe being able to get it for less and maybe not being able to get it at any price. It's not at all clear that the latter is better.

The "market price" you're talking about, is set by how many scalpers are creating scarcity. If the number of scalpers is 0, then the "market price" is different. It becomes the price that both the vendor is willing to sell for, and the event visitor is willing to buy for. Which is a more desirable "market price" to achieve.

The only thing scalpers make possible, is pricing out people that the vendor wanted to sell tickets to.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Scalpers are the primary reason it’s practically impossible to get a ticket at face price in the first place

The only way that could possibly be true is if the price the scalpers charged was the face price they had to pay. In that world, there wouldn't be scalpers.

Are you unaware that scalpers are set up to hoover up as many tickets as possible before an actual person that wants to visit the event can get one? Because it seems like you are?

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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In the UK they're making it illegal to resell tickets for more than the original cost. That should deal with the majority of the problem.

Scalpers will just do two transactions, one high one for the privilege of being able to buy the ticket, and then the sale at the listed limit. No, the real solution is to make tickets strictly id-bound and non-transferable in any way.

This reads like you just made up a workaround without reading the proposed law or without looking at the reality of the situation in other countries that it has been implemented. Your suggested workaround doesn't work.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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If you "can't make it", you just have to eat the loss. True fans will make it.

True fans don't have any loved ones fall ill? Or get called to work against their will?

If something happens to your family, maybe the last thing you should think about is grieving that you lost some juicy, juicy money on tickets which you couldn't use?

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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There's a very easy solution. Put the name of the owner on the ticket. Limit the number of tickets per person. Verify the identity before entering the premises. Allow the resale at face value via the organiser's platform. Allow to resell your ticket at face value to a specific person, for the case where the friend who bought the tickets six months ago is suddenly sick. I don't know why this is being made to look like…

> Allow to resell your ticket at face value to a specific person, for the case where the friend who bought the tickets six months ago is suddenly sick. This allows scalping. And then, since scalping is not prevented, all that these measures really accomplish is to theatrically increase the burden for everyone else.

It does not, because you can only resell at face value. There's no profit incentive.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.

Spotify is another entity dipping into the limited pool of available tickets and further limiting supply. I don't pay for/use Spotify and don't want to, so as far as I'm concerned this is only worsening the problem by further constraining the supply of tickets available to me.

Yeah, I’m not against the idea, but I don’t have a Spotify membership. They’re simply not my music vendor of choice.

Why should that lock me out of a reasonable reservation system?

We have a massive centralization problem in these industries and this doesn’t fix it.

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