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Re: Throwing AI-generated walls of text into conversations

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Post by 4nonverbal-alit »

sweetheart wrote: post #147
ahtihn wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copy/pasting a question to LLM and pasting back the output isn't an attempt ar being helpful. It's the equivalent of a lmgtfy link.

But the point OP is making is that it's entirely possible that the person doing this _does_ see it as them being as helpful as possible. That doesn't mean it doesn't suck, or that it isn't annoying, though. I dunno, just seems like a coin toss to me: was this backed by good intentions or not? Without other "evidence", assuming that it was well-meaning but misguided feels better for _both_ of us (at least in my experi…

I had a colleague I really enjoyed talking to. Until all the AI hype and them getting into that bandwagon. Now whenever I ask something I get a huge markdown response with unaligned ascii table or being told to ask instead (with much enthusiasm). I am sure they are not doing it with bad intentions or ignoring me. That said I still can’t help but find it cold though. I would rather prefer if they just ghosted my messages

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Post by efskap »

toasty228 wrote: post #231
nlawalker wrote: post #128

I've decided that I'm done being pissy about this kind of response, or thinking that it's something that can be coached away. I choose to look at it like any other cultural communication difference - something that you learn about, try to give some grace to, and work a little harder to bridge (unless you're defusing a bomb, performing surgery, flying an airplane etc.). In this person's communication culture, they are…

Saying "I don't know" is 100x less shameful than asking a clanker for an answer and pretending it's yours. If they don't realise this they won't last long

Specifically a clanker that itself would rather hallucinate something than say "I don't know".

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Post by gitaarik »

0x696C6961 wrote: post #25
amelius wrote: post #5

> Should we use Redis or Memcached? Couldn't they have used an example aimed at a broader audience? I'm in IT but even I barely know what Redis or Memcached is about (never used either).

90% of people here know what those are.

How do YOU know?

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Post by throwawee »

ethbr1 wrote: post #265
low_tech_love wrote: post #250

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I think you’re wrong in one thing: Reading through meaningless walls of text takes time and effort that I’m not willing to waste. So it’s not just accepting a different culture; it’s not “free”. Reading AI grenades is really stressful (at least for me).

This. The central issue is the bait and switch. The bait: here is a ton of text The historical implication: because there is a lot of it, I put a lot of thought and effort into writing it The new normal: there is ZERO signal about the magnitude of human thought and effort that went into something on the basis of its length ... and what really pisses people off about that: when AIstas intentionally abuse that social c…

>The historical implication: because there is a lot of it, I put a lot of thought and effort into writing it

Really? That must be some ancient history, because I've seen rambling walls of text on the internet derided for decades. I always appreciated the Feynmanian respect for economy of time over traditional formats, where if authors said their piece but still had space they'd damn well fill it.

(Of course, slide all the way down that slippery slope and you'll just hit Twitter.)

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

SoftTalker wrote: post #137
bluGill wrote: post #72

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Do you start every response off with "that is a great question"? I don't know any human who does. "that is a great question" is reserved either for really hard questions, or sarcasm. The majority of questions are not great, they are just things the asker needs a simple answer.

I would probably reply with "that is a great question" only as a euphemism for "I don't know"

From Schlock Mercenary: "'That's a great question' is a terrible answer."

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Post by gitaarik »

HeartStrings wrote: post #156
joenot443 wrote: post #35

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> You asked a simple question. They lobbed a document. > It's a weapon disguised as helpfulness. These are particular sentences I find questionable. Would you write that way? I certainly wouldn't. GPTZero is by no means perfect, but it agreed this was likely generated.

We should instaban anyone who uses these patterns on ycombinator. If you talk like that for realsies, well too bad, try being more human and less linkedin next time

But AI is trained on human text. Human writers have already been flagged as AI – by humans who think they're AI, while they were not.

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Post by ChiMan »

hungryhobbit wrote: post #259

AI conversations are like dreams: everyone has one they like and wants to share it with others ... but no on gives a crap about your dream/chat session, because it was uniquely appealing to you , and not them. Don't bore your co-workers (or others) with descriptions of your dreams, and don't throw a computer's dreams (AI chat logs) at them either.

>Don't bore your co-workers (or others) with descriptions of your dreams, and don't throw a computer's dreams (AI chat logs) at them either.

Beautiful. An ode and axiom for our new age.

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Post by [deleted] »

ruszki wrote: post #173
nlawalker wrote: post #128

I've decided that I'm done being pissy about this kind of response, or thinking that it's something that can be coached away. I choose to look at it like any other cultural communication difference - something that you learn about, try to give some grace to, and work a little harder to bridge (unless you're defusing a bomb, performing surgery, flying an airplane etc.). In this person's communication culture, they are…

With lmgtfy, the point was to show that you can do that with Google, how you can do it, and you shouldn’t ask (not in the nicest way for sure). With replying with an LLM answer, you pretend that I cannot do the same. The equivalent would be a link to an LLM chat. There is a clear intent difference. The LLM answer version doesn’t want to teach the how.

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