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Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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I take it you're not in HR at the CIA or FBI, which vet applicants' families for a reason. i.e. how long ago applicants and/or their families came to the US does help predict their loyalties... It might not be a strong nor fair predictor, but it's not zero either.

We are all Americans but some are more American than others.

I'm not.

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Meh. Don't leave anything at work. Forgo the convenience and carry your things on your commute. Use a bag. If there's "too much stuff", that's a sign to pare back what you "need" at work.

If they are keeping your personal possessions, isn't that theft?

Yes, but the company may well be judgement-proof at that point.

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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>Looking at it from Europe - it is such a weird inhumane practice. Pretty standard practice in many technology(not just IT) and finance companies in Europe as well. >If you don't trust your people so much, why to hire them in a first place? It's not about trust, it's about risk, and most companies operate on liability and risk mitigation. If society ran on trust alone, we wouldn't need contracts, door locks, password…

No this is labour law in the UK, I just had this last year. Its 3 months where you get paid and you can search for a job etc. Made our new American CEO livid that he could not just fire people.

More specifically in the UK there are a few ways employees can be dismissed.

You can be dismissed when you have done something wrong, in which case there's no notice period but the employer has to be able to show they've followed certain rules.

You can be dismissed when you haven't done anything wrong, in which case you either get several months notice or several months pay ('in lieu of notice') or a 'voluntary settlement agreement' (more pay, negotiable terms) all subject to slightly different rules.

So a US employer can cut a UK employee's computer system access the same day, it just costs a bit.

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Heh, a place where I worked some guy who left kept committing code for months (he went to work for a company we were a vendor for). Some of my teammates knew and just thought it was no big deal, he was fixing bugs and adding features. The color the director turned when he found out!! Oh man.

so he was doing free labor for your company? What's he getting out of that?

https://www.nucalc.com/Story/

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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> [Opexus] said that “the individuals responsible for hiring the twins are no longer employed by Opexus.” Getting close to the classic Monty Python line: "Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have been sacked." Jokes aside, stuff like this sucks because I suspect many employers will take from it the most extreme, dehumanizing lessons, e.g.: (a) make firings [edit: including lay-offs] as…

Privileged access should only be temporary in context of break glass with approval. People can go ballistic with core systems for reasons other than firing.

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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> Given his former crimes, Sohaib should have had none of this. Nobody should have a personal armory.

Fortunately enough Americans have enough guns that no matter how much people like you whine about it you'll never be able to take them away.

Burglars take them away pretty often. Out of reported firearm thefts, most happened to those who had six or more such items.

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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>Also pay was relatively decent but much less than what you saw even 5 years ago. IDK, I'm not from the US/Bay-Area, nor does my country have any big-tech/FANG jobs to distort the market for what constitutes a "high wage" in tech, it's all the same. >in the back-half of COVID. Sure, but Covid was only a short blip, a temporary exception, not a baseline norm for wage/job growth, like the years prior which was a longer…

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I know enough people who tried, to be able to tell you that it's not all roses over there. Some had to go back to being a corporate slave and some just continue grinding a barely viable business earning much less than they could at a large company

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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Looking at it from Europe, this definitely also happens. It depends on the situation. I know of ppl who were kept bcs the parting was in good faith (which was less a firing and more an agreement that parting is in everyone's interest), but I also know of ppl who had their access revoked before firing bcs it wasn't. The latter had unilateral system access as well, which added to it. It's not about humane or inhumane,…

> It's part of the reason why Europe is falling behind on everything. I read a news article that Orange Telecom in France was being sued by a woman they had on payroll for the last 20 years doing nothing, because due to a medical condition she suffered, she became unable to do her job, and since they couldn't fire her due to France unions and labor laws, nor did they have any available job that could fit her current…

>Ithey just kept paying her for 20 years to do nothing at work, and now she's suing them for the depression she got to get paid for no work.

It's called "mise au placard" and it's illegal. It's a technique to get people to quit by themselves, so companies don't have deal with the hassle of firing them. The lawsuit is 100% justified.

It's also very common in Japan.

Re: Twin brothers wipe 96 government databases minutes after being fired

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> On March 12, 2025, a search warrant was executed at Sohaib’s home in Alexandria. Agents grabbed plenty of tech gear but also turned up seven firearms and 370 rounds of .30 caliber ammunition. Given his former crimes, Sohaib should have had none of this. For god's sake, don't commit crimes while you're committing crimes.

It's funny how it's never just one thing.

In my region of the world a crackdown on street racing started a few years ago. It continued because each night the police stopped someone, there was at least one DUI and suspended license.

Unsurprisingly those who disregard traffic rules tend to equally disregard other rules.

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