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Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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That's not what the Friedman Doctrine is, technically. It is that management should obey moral, ethical, and legal frameworks in the operation of the business for the benefit of its investors; and specifically NOT take actions which are outside of that narrow scope.

Does that include trying to influence moral, ethical, and legal frameworks to the benefit of the investors as well? Because if it does it is kind of a moot point.

Yes, although as the Koch Brothers point out in their book: you have to play by the rules that exist, not the rules you want.

If you read, eg, Buffet, he makes the point that a manager donating to a political cause, whether the Heritage Foundation or, God forbid, something as far right as the SPLC, makes that donation with money that otherwise accrues to the shareholders. The manager therefore creates an agency problem, where he might pursue his own interests at the expense of the owners.

If they are aligned, the manager can retain the earnings and create a dividend for the owners, such that they can then make the donation directly. If they are not aligned with the owners, they are redistributing wealth.

I am not surprised that the Left advocates for backdoor wealth redistribution, but I would prefer they be honest about it.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Having tens of thousands of decentralized, independently moderated servers would result in an order of magnitude more CSAM being shared than having a few oligopolies. The abusers just have to find the weakest link, and that weakest link will have fewer resources than multi trillion dollar companies. You would also likely not hear many news stories about it, because they won't have the expertise to even detect it. Tha…

>That's a tradeoff you can choose to make, but you need to enter into it with open eyes. No it's not. It's certainly not my choice. No one asked me if it's okay for Facebook to distribute CSAM because you insist it would be worse if it didn't.

I don't really care if you classify it as a choice or not. One set of actions results in more CSAM than others. Just because you don't like the implication of there being tradeoffs doesn't mean there aren't tradeoffs.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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I’ve worked in trust and safety - for me this is stupid, but well below the threshold of impossible. Hell, I know of a major firm that decided QA was not needed for their trust and safety process. Another common issue will be SEA Arabic speakers tasked with labelling Middle Eastern Arabic content, because accents and cultural dialects are not a thing. I’ve had people at FAANG firms cry on my shoulder, because they co…

What I mean is: I'm not sure what they base their statement that it's "a common practice among other companies" on. Unlikely they are talking about their peer companies. I suppose if you read the sentence literally, there surely exist one or more "other companies" in the broad universe of "other companies" that routinely do this kind of stuff. But I wouldn't think anywhere serious.

I mean, given this happened and it was sent to Sama it seems pretty clear that the images being generated from this were being sent to a labelling pipeline somewhere.

There’s probably an opt out / opt in clause somewhere in the terms and conditions, which makes it feasible for Meta (and other firms) to use this data.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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>That's a tradeoff you can choose to make, but you need to enter into it with open eyes. No it's not. It's certainly not my choice. No one asked me if it's okay for Facebook to distribute CSAM because you insist it would be worse if it didn't.

I don't really care if you classify it as a choice or not. One set of actions results in more CSAM than others. Just because you don't like the implication of there being tradeoffs doesn't mean there aren't tradeoffs.

You classified it as a choice, not me.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Sounds about right. If you know someone who uses these smart glasses, it's important not to tolerate them whatsoever. Don't speak with them, interact with them. I wouldn't even recommend being in their presence.

Are GoPros acceptable? I went to the beach, jet skiing. One of the guys had Meta glasses. I liked the footage.

The problem is there's places where you'd get noticed and probably removed for filming with a gopro, or even a smartphone. My local "wellness center" and pools have you deposit your smartphone before you exit the changing area into the showers.

The danger with creep glasses is that many people don't know what they are, they can be used with the LED disabled so they're perfect for filming people without their knowledge, and "these are prescription glasses" has a good chance of working. In a place with a "no recording devices" policy, "could you put that gopro away" has wide social acceptance/support, "take those glasses off" less so.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Sounds plausible. We could also toss vibe coded mess on top of this and probably get closer to the truth.

The article itself is ambiguous on this point: "At the time of the publication, Meta admitted subcontracted workers might sometimes review content filmed on its smart glasses when people shared it with Meta AI." That could be moderation, or it could be labelling new examples for training/validation

This feels like an instance of weasel words. One can scarcely imagine any reason to do content moderation over people’s own private and personally consumed data.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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I don't really care if you classify it as a choice or not. One set of actions results in more CSAM than others. Just because you don't like the implication of there being tradeoffs doesn't mean there aren't tradeoffs.

You classified it as a choice, not me.

> or not

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

#328

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Are GoPros acceptable? I went to the beach, jet skiing. One of the guys had Meta glasses. I liked the footage.

The problem is there's places where you'd get noticed and probably removed for filming with a gopro, or even a smartphone. My local "wellness center" and pools have you deposit your smartphone before you exit the changing area into the showers. The danger with creep glasses is that many people don't know what they are, they can be used with the LED disabled so they're perfect for filming people without their knowledg…

I get the problem.

I don't think ostracizing users of Meta Glasses (or Google Glass before that) is the answer.

But I get the problems of hidden cameras.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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A question for the HN folks who work for Meta - Is the pay so good that it makes it worth working for such a morally bankrupt organization?

I’d like to know the well paying and non-morally bankrupt companies. What company out there has a flawless reputation and is paying $400k/yr for senior eng in SV?

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Why is there even a “ moderation queue”? Isn’t this people’s private recordings?

Yes but also we don't want people live streaming murder and suicide, so there's detection and moderation in place.

Private recordings aren't public live streams.
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