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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by Avicebron »

avaer wrote: post #296
Avicebron wrote: post #188

Yeah, this is crazy, remember when engineers were actually engineers and that meant something? Imagine asking to install spyware on your lawyers' firms' company laptops because you didn't trust them not to make some deal with the judge. Or demanding 24 hour monitoring on everything a doctor does because you need to review the footage at any time. EDIT: While we are here, let's do this for politicians as well :), publ…

> let's do this for politicians as well :), publicly available, auditable 24-hour surveillance Politicians will be the first to carve out exceptions for themselves for reasons of "security" while everyone else is surveilled. Yes, it should literally be the opposite -- with power should come accountability. But that's not how these things work in practice.

> Politicians will be the first to carve out exceptions for themselves for reasons of "security" while everyone else is surveilled.

Well good thing we can just not vote for anyone and/or remove anyone who tries to take this stance. It's not like they are appointed by God.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by catcowcostume »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #239
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

I already assume that on a work computer everything I'm doing could be monitored by work IT. At every job I've had, I've made a point of not using work hardware for anything I even remotely thought someone at the job might object to. Instead I use my own hardware for that kind of thing - I own a smartphone, I own multiple computers, this is not hard to do. When I worked at a startup that had some internal conflict be…

> Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by ninjahawk1 »

an0malous wrote: post #298
CSSer wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really does make one wonder... If you came to work tomorrow and I said you need to donate blood to keep working here, would you?

In this economy?

Count dracula over here talking about the blood shortages

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by catcowcostume »

sho_hn wrote: post #192
BeetleB wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. When I joined the workforce a long time ago, I went in with the mindset that: Their property, their equipment, their right to monitor (or even keylog). I was pleasantly surprised to find that not to be the case, but I've always believed in their right to do so. Why do people expect to have a right…

Engineers build tools for other people. The profession exists in support of human life. We make the substrate that civilization runs on. If humans are the point, this also goes for keeping work environments humane.

> We make the substrate that civilization runs on.

That's a bit self-aggrandizing - especially for Software engineers.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by sho_hn »

catcowcostume wrote: post #324
sho_hn wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Engineers build tools for other people. The profession exists in support of human life. We make the substrate that civilization runs on. If humans are the point, this also goes for keeping work environments humane.

> We make the substrate that civilization runs on. That's a bit self-aggrandizing - especially for Software engineers.

I did mean engineers in general (I work with and have great respect for mechanical engineers, for example, and my folks were in construction), but I don't it's necessarily self-aggrandizing, either. I've worked on chat software and know people who met using my software and got married and have kids. I've worked on software somewhere in the chain of publishing important ideas, or just to share a joke.

I don't mean to say that this software was the only means of doing either of these things, of course. But we do make tools that people use regularly when living their lives. Sometimes it's just about being reliable or not getting in the way. The modern equivalent of flintstones and sharing stories around the fire.

It's about taking your work seriously - the qualities of what we make matter - and feeling some sense of purpose. And knowing who you're doing it for. I don't think that's being self-important.

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Post by tasoeur »

Ironically, I’d be surprised if this wasn’t already the case before? I recall vividly employment contracts with meta in 201X with a clear mention that employees were giving up any sense of privacy while using meta provided devices or entering meta’s premises…

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by boombapoom »

dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

unless if everyone comes together to poison the data set

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Post by LiamPowell »

dylan604 wrote: post #295
cuuupid wrote: post #248

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I'd argue Meta is much worse: Palantir builds these systems for the US government which is (hopefully) something you can hold accountable / can reasonably trust. Meta builds these systems for itself to make digital cocaine and sell personal data to profit off everyone (including and moreso primarily the elderly and children). You can't hold them accountable, actually pretty much nobody can hold Zuckerberg accountable…

Does Palantir collect data or just analyze aggregated purchased data? I'm not familiar with the data collecting SDKs available as I don't whore out myself/my sites like that, so maybe there is a pipe directly from them???? Either way, I'd definitely hold those directly responsible for collecting and selling of the data way worse than those that just make use of a product. It's like the war on drugs where those making…

> Does Palantir collect data or just analyze aggregated purchased data?

Neither. Palantir makes data management software, they've never been in the business of collecting or analysing data themselves at all. There's generally a fundamental misunderstanding online of what Palantir actually does.

Any time you see an article or comment saying something along the lines of "Palantir is stealing your data", consider if it makes sense when you replace Palantir with MySQL, if it doesn't then it's generally safe to assume that article is garbage.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to have grievances with Palantir, but they're completely drowned out by nonsense.

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