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The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by dlcarrier »

codedokode wrote: post #112
noxer wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can make bullets yourself just like you can make the gun. You may remember the assassination of Shinzo Abe. In the US low powerd black powder is super easy to get you don't even have to take fireworks apart or do home lab chemicals stuff.

But you need something better than a 3D printer for bullets. So if bullet sales are regulated, there is no need to regulate 3D printing.

You can re-use the shells, so all you need to do is cast the bullet, which is really easy, then load the gunpowder into the shells and use a simple machine to crimp the bullet on, and you're done. There's lots of off-the-shelf hardware to do it that is pretty common throughout the US.

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Post by nine_k »

lynndotpy wrote: post #275
nine_k wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you get a driver's license if you're visibly insane? The same standard should apply to getting a gun. A gun is comparably lethal.

That is different than the proposed test for sanity.

Is a proof of lack of insanity a proof of sanity?

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by dlcarrier »

fasterik wrote: post #170
nradov wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the inevitable result of having a single-party government which is no longer accountable to regular citizens.

What you describe as "single-party government" is in fact a democracy where one party is more popular than the others. Or are you trying to imply that California's elections are not free and fair? If voters want to hold politicians accountable, they can vote out the incumbent. I see it as a problem primarily with education and public opinion. Regular citizens routinely support bad policies across the ideological spec…

It doesn't matter how a single party came to run the government, but being the case that it is, there's few checks and balances on the party, so it makes bad decisions it wouldn't have made if it had competition.

Chances are it will eventually be run so poorly that it is no longer unopposed, but the system doesn't guarantee that it is quick.

Re: The dangers of California's legislation to censor 3D printing

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Post by hnburnsy »

ggreer wrote: post #194
mbf1 wrote: post #102

Follow the money here. Who is actually asking for this?

This law (along with similar ones in Washington & New York) is probably due to lobbying from Everytown, a gun control organization co-founded & mostly funded by billionaire Michael Bloomberg. They've sponsored summits to gather politicians & other influential people to restrict 3d printed firearms.[1] 1. https://everytownsupportfund.org/press/everytown-to-convene-...

Yup.

Everytown and Moms Demand Action which operates under Everytown also provide the white papers, testimony, polling, and public pressure.

These bills across multiplenstates are 100% democratic developed, sponsored, and pushed. In fact the NRA denounces Everytown and it seems unlikely they would be in cahoots behind this push.

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Post by dlcarrier »

lynx09 wrote: post #236

They can just make it illegal to create firearms without a license. They aren’t legislating pens and paper for illegal artwork about children. Same for this.

They can't, because of federal supremacy. Chances are that their regulations on 3D printers won't be allowed because federal supremacy, but they're hoping they've found a loophole.

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Post by jcgrillo »

tempaccount5050 wrote: post #50
horsawlarway wrote: post #38

Personally, I see this as an assault on 3d printing more than any real attempt to regulate guns. I own several 3d printers. If I wanted to make something resembling a firearm I'd go to home depot WAY before I bothered 3d printing parts. You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. So given we don't do this regulati…

Not that I support any of these obviously stupid bills but: > what's special about 3d printers? They can make guns made out of plastic and metal detectors are kind of the primary way we try to find guns on people. You are probably right about the lobbying group, I agree. Edit: I'm not saying it makes sense, but this is the angle the congress folks are taking, sheesh.

If you're dead set on making a gun that will pass through a metal detector you don't need a 3D printer to do it.

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Post by tt24 »

throw1234567891 wrote: post #151
MisterTea wrote: post #58

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I really think all of this is the result of Mangione. Regulating 3D printers has been talked about for years with no action. Then a year after the CEO of a large well known company is killed with a 3D printed gun the states are suddenly pushing highly invasive 3D printing laws. It's no coincidence NY was the first to push for such a law, the state where said CEO was killed.

You’d think they’d regulate guns instead.

I’m sorry, is it your opinion that guns aren’t currently regulated?

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Post by parineum »

favorited wrote: post #99
horsawlarway wrote: post #38

Personally, I see this as an assault on 3d printing more than any real attempt to regulate guns. I own several 3d printers. If I wanted to make something resembling a firearm I'd go to home depot WAY before I bothered 3d printing parts. You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. So given we don't do this regulati…

> You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. Why would you buy a pipe at Home Depot? A gun barrel is not a firearm, and is not required to be registered or serialized. You can drive to Arizona or Nevada and buy an actual barrel, with rifling, manufactured to meet well-known specifications, without showing an ID.…

> California legislators haven't met a bad gun law that they don't like.

California and New York have been done more for gun rights than anyone else by passing absurd laws that get struck down by the judiciary, setting precedent.

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Post by hnburnsy »

favorited wrote: post #99
horsawlarway wrote: post #38

Personally, I see this as an assault on 3d printing more than any real attempt to regulate guns. I own several 3d printers. If I wanted to make something resembling a firearm I'd go to home depot WAY before I bothered 3d printing parts. You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. So given we don't do this regulati…

> You basically just need a metal tube, and well... a pipe from home depot does that much better than trying to 3d print something much less reliable. Why would you buy a pipe at Home Depot? A gun barrel is not a firearm, and is not required to be registered or serialized. You can drive to Arizona or Nevada and buy an actual barrel, with rifling, manufactured to meet well-known specifications, without showing an ID.…

Nope, it is the democrats led by Michael Bloomberg...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/gun-safety-advocates-war...

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