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The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by toyg »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #220
Teever wrote: post #89

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You’d be surprised. A lot of religious people are extremely knowledgeable about historical stuff related to their religions. They might draw the absolutely worst conclusions from their historical knowledge and have incredibly biased takes but they’ve actually read and discussed these things which is more than you can say for your average person. It ultimately comes from their personal identify being so intricately ti…

Best analogy for religion I've ever heard: "A D&D game that went too far." If you've seen diehard gamers go on for hours about the minutiae of various editions of countless rulebooks, you can imagine what it's like when devout Catholics get together to talk shop. There are subtleties to this particular pissing match that aren't immediately obvious. The Vatican is starting to rein in the Opus Dei cult-within-a-cult. A…

Opus Dei is an issue but it's not the only 'cult within a cult' in the Catholic Church, not even the first. They just happen to be the most recent fashion. Popes have always had to balance the power and influence of this or that organization - franciscans, dominicans, benedictines, any one of these (and more) had to be contained at some point.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

colechristensen wrote: post #295
CamperBob2 wrote: post #227

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They are idiots with nuclear weapons and a complete lock on all three branches of government. They are also immune to embarrassment.

>They are also immune to embarrassment. No, they, especially one of them has EXTREME anxiety about his image, just not in the way that normal people do. He's got the psychology of an anxious child wanting to please a neglectful father. This is why TACO. And why every third word is some ridiculous boast about something nonsensical. This is insecurity driven politics and its WHY HE GOT ELECTED. Fear and insecurity elec…

Trump is susceptible to narcissistic injury, but I don't know if you could call it 'embarrassment.' The latter implies some sense of regret or shame, and he appears incapable of either. You might as well expect Alex Honnold to exhibit a fear of heights.

Since whatever happens to Trump is always somebody else's fault, why should embarrassment come into the picture? They're the ones who should be embarrassed! And so on.

Trump's followers are also utterly shameless, and they're the ones that matter since they vote in such large numbers. Just like their leader, if they could be embarrassed, they would be, but they're not.

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Post by reactordev »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #308
_doctor_love wrote: post #185

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I would reluctantly have to agree. The current administration is the culmination of something like 30 years of effort.

Big business interests have been pushing for this since the 1970s; a proto Tea Party, which morphed into the Fox News and actual Tea Party Putin has been working on this since he came to power, ~30 some years Israel has been trying to make the US do its dirty work since the first oil crisis in the 70s too / Yom Kippur War.

It’s been a field day for them this last year…

Re: The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy

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Post by _doctor_love »

1659447091 wrote: post #264
_doctor_love wrote: post #181

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> Are we actually being serious right now of America doing a conflict with Cuba? Sadly, I think the answer is yes. Iran might put a brief damper / brake on the timeline but the current US administration seems intent on seizing the moment and pushing out the Castro government once and for all. It's "beef" that goes a long way back, if you look up the history of Cuba, even how Fidel Castro first came to power was under…

> It's "beef" that goes a long way back, if you look up the history of Cuba [...] And Cuba had been a point of major US economic interests as well so the USA was not happy to see the rise of the Communists in their backyard. This is Mark Rubio*, and only Rubio. This admin is all about letting the people who helped put it together each have their turn at using the US as the vehicle for their personal grievances and pr…

> This is Mark Rubio, and only Rubio.*

I think you don't know your US history.

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Post by colechristensen »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #322
colechristensen wrote: post #295

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>They are also immune to embarrassment. No, they, especially one of them has EXTREME anxiety about his image, just not in the way that normal people do. He's got the psychology of an anxious child wanting to please a neglectful father. This is why TACO. And why every third word is some ridiculous boast about something nonsensical. This is insecurity driven politics and its WHY HE GOT ELECTED. Fear and insecurity elec…

Trump is susceptible to narcissistic injury, but I don't know if you could call it 'embarrassment.' The latter implies some sense of regret or shame, and he appears incapable of either. You might as well expect Alex Honnold to exhibit a fear of heights. Since whatever happens to Trump is always somebody else's fault, why should embarrassment come into the picture? They're the ones who should be embarrassed! And so on…

I think we're confusing outward display of "shame" and "embarrassment" or whatever else in that general genre and inner experience. These people are DRIVEN by the internal experience and anxiety about fear, embarrassment, shame, inadequacy, etc. and it explains all of their actions very well.

They're blustery cowards. This is how that kind of person acts.

They're not shameless, they're overflowing with shame and acting out because of it. Leaders and supporters.

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Post by 1659447091 »

_doctor_love wrote: post #324
1659447091 wrote: post #264

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> It's "beef" that goes a long way back, if you look up the history of Cuba [...] And Cuba had been a point of major US economic interests as well so the USA was not happy to see the rise of the Communists in their backyard. This is Mark Rubio*, and only Rubio. This admin is all about letting the people who helped put it together each have their turn at using the US as the vehicle for their personal grievances and pr…

> This is Mark Rubio , and only Rubio.* I think you don't know your US history.

I think you are ignoring the present, and this administrations alternative timeline. If this, and the related Venezuela, happened during the Biden admin, then yes, history would be the factor. This is not that.

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Post by Smoosh »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #151
_doctor_love wrote: post #109

Wow. I knew the current administration was bad but this is something extra. It also shows the short-sightedness of the "scholars" in the administration. Sure, the Avignon Papacy did occur, that's historical fact. It's also a historical fact that the Catholic Church is an actually ancient power broker in the world still and they have been around for much, much longer than the United States. The Church is actually quit…

> Also...I don't think a fast-follow conflict in Cuba right after this Iran affair is going to do much good, but that seems like where their appetite is going next. I was watching a video by Man carrying thing about Iran war, (he makes skit about things which are still good) and he mentioned the Cuba thing. I am being 100% serious right now, I thought that it was just a joke of the skit. Are we actually being serious…

> Are we actually being serious right now of America doing a conflict with Cuba?

Trump says 'Cuba is next' in speech touting US military successes - https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-says-cuba-is-ne...

:shrug:

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Post by twodave »

krapp wrote: post #315
twodave wrote: post #313

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This is a rather unbalanced perspective that lacks a shred of evidence. I can't imagine that you've actually read his letters, because if you had you'd know his stance on the role of a husband is not remotely what you've described.

I have read them. Let me quote from one of them: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing — if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propri…

Yes, I am aware of this passage. He is not speaking to equality of genders. You can read his other writings to see how he treated actual women who were in leadership roles in the early church. If you believe in Christianity then you believe that God ordained specific and symbolic roles for husbands and wives and the appropriate authority to go along with each.

Paul also wrote the men shouldn’t have long hair and women should keep their heads covered, so there is also an amount of “being at peace means also being at peace with the culture” to be interpreted from his writings.

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #311
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #155

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There's this weird affect of modern "trad" catholic converts. Not everyone who's an adult convert acts this way, but most converts obsessed with "trad" aesthetics seem to be. They obsess over the law, doctrine, and history of the Catholic church. Invoking events from millennia prior, and despite converting to Catholicism by choice, will denounce the Pope for being woke or what have you, insisting it's not the true Ca…

> Why convert to the branch of Christianity with the elected god-king if you don't want to listen to the elected god-king? Maybe they just want to indulge in eating human flesh and blood? (AFAIK, Catholicism includes the belief that during Communion, the bread and wine literally transform into the flesh and blood of Jesus).

Lots of folks say it's just their desire for a highly organized and patriarchal structure which they would like to co-op for their own purposes, and get mad when it doesn't move to their favor.

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Post by rebolek »

blooalien wrote: post #303
rebolek wrote: post #257

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I still prefer American insanity to Russia or China flavours.

I would prefer that we stop putting the criminally insane in charge of WMDs, armies, and entire nations.

I don’t vote for them but when they’re in charge, I protest. I can do this because I’m not in China or ruSSia.
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