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BYD EVs are affordable. Electricity will get cheaper with more renewables, oil will not.
> Electricity will get cheaper with more renewables Citation?
Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing
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#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Chinese don't live in fear of whether Benelux is 'friendly' to them or not, and if the Beneluxers went insane and started trying to invade their neighbours, I'm sure China would treat it much the same way as Europe treats every war in Africa or Asia. Much 'concern', many pleas to follow international law. This is absurdly reductionist. Population matters (140 million vs 30 million). Location matters. Size matte…
“American empire will end sometime this century “ - at the rate things are going American empire has a good chance to end this decade :).
I wanted to be nice :-p
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#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
Acting like most people who advocate getting away from fossil fuels desire a global economic collapse rather than an intentional, well thought and executed transition.
The point is that it's impossible without huge suffering which people would rather not have.
I do not believe that is true.
Solar and EV technology are advancing rapidly, and with investment in grid infrastructure and incentives for generators to go renewable we could be along with Europe and China in reducing FF dependence for power. Instead the current administration is actively sabotaging the US position on renewable energy.
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#324Scanning some of the early comments here, and acting as-if the oil and LNG disruptions is just a question of renewable investment is naive. This is the worst energy crisis in modern history, and little of the western world has really started feeling the effects yet: https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/dispatch-energy/iran-war-... Petro is pretty much upstream of everything: plastics, fertilizers, pharmaceuticals, cook…
Before calling it "the worst", I'd like more detail on how to do the comparison with the oil crises of the 1970's. My guess is that modern economies might be somewhat less oil-dependent than they were then, because the alternatives are more developed.
Before calling it "the worst", I'd like more detail on how to do the comparison with the oil crises of the 1970's.
There's a graph in today's (March 28/29) Wall Street Journal that does exactly that, and shows that what's happening now is both currently slightly worse than the 1970's, and the worst oil shock in history.
And remember that this isn't over yet.
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Uh huh, sure, America profits handsomely from paying trillions of dollars to defend its deadbeat dependencies because... uh... something something capitalism? The unnecessary expense of trillions of dollars being, of course, just so famously and fabulously profitable. I assume this is the same strand of 4D-chess-level thinking that posits that landlords like keeping rental properties vacant because they somehow make…
What is 4D-chess thinking, is believing that the USA is giving handouts to the world and that you would be somehow even richer if it wouldn't. It's an age old epic: tell the privileged that "actually, you're being exploited of your hard work and innate intelligence". It let's you sleep at night.
The US considers it in their strategic interest to maintain peace around the world. We are vicarious beneficiaries of that logic.
The same way that a farmer considers it in his pecuniary interest to grow and sell vegetables, and we are vicarious beneficiaries in that we have access to affordable food we can eat.
People like you see conspiracies where there is actually nothing but fortuitous alignments of interest. Like all conspiracy theories, it's merely ignorance of the basic incentives that make the world work, leading to hare-brained theories that sound dramatic but make no sense, couched in an air of being super special in your ability to see how the world 'really' works, unlike all those normie sheep. Yadda yadda. Juvenile and boring.
But hey, the US is almost certainly going to retreat from the world after the unpopular missteps of the current administration, so we'll get to see with our own eyes whether that produces a more or less peaceful world. Won't that be a fun and costly experiment.
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#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you be any more bad faith?
What is "bad faith" here? I'd love to see an explanation.
People who want the world to get off fossil fuels want to transition off them as other forms of energy became viable, and work towards that goal. They didn't want 2 madmen to bomb a country right next to an important waterway over some religious nonsense. You know this, and that's why it's bad faith.
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is "bad faith" here? I'd love to see an explanation.
People who want the world to get off fossil fuels want to transition off them as other forms of energy became viable, and work towards that goal. They didn't want 2 madmen to bomb a country right next to an important waterway over some religious nonsense. You know this, and that's why it's bad faith.
> You know this, and that's why it's bad faith.
Try to remain calm and not make personal remarks.
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#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is "bad faith" here? I'd love to see an explanation.
Acting like most people who advocate getting away from fossil fuels desire a global economic collapse rather than an intentional, well thought and executed transition.
I see you have a response from the person accused of acting in bad faith, and whether you agree or not (which you have done), it is reasonable, as was your disagreement.
It was not bad faith, whatever that is, and it was not a straw man.
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes and if (1) gas in Canada were cheaper than in the US, and (2) the border between the countries was completely open, then you’d indeed see people going to Canada to buy gas.
I'm sure there's plenty of border crossings for cheaper goods. I'm skeptical this happens in such numbers as to strain national infrastructure. Tellingly, the ration put in place applies to Slovenian citizens, not just foreigners. Which should tell you something about "who is being blamed" vs "what solves the problem".
Imagine gas being the same as toilet paper... you know exactly how much you use daily on average and you optimize the distribution.
https://www.24ur.com/novice/gospodarstvo/bencin-nafta-dostav...
That means they transport 110-120 tanker trucks of fuel daily, and in "times of crisis", they can do approximately 200 tankers per day.
Now imagine just the people from gorizia going across the border to buy gas in nova gorica (the country border goes literally through the city, gorica = gorizia, nova gorica= new gorizia), and instead of eg. 1 tanker truck that day, they now need 4. Just in one small cizy.
Then there's trieste, a city of about 200k people, and just ~10km away is the city of sežana (13k pop and 6 gas stations).
Then there's villach in austria and gas stations in slovenia ~20km away.
Croatia? Zagreb (capital, almost 800k pop) is ~20km away form slovenia.
And then you get the news that there is no gas at this or that gas station, and all the locals pick up their gas cans, jump into their cars and go fill up their cars + 20, 40 liters of extra gas in cans.
To go back to the toilet paper crisis... we didn't even need foreigners coming, just the media showing the situation abroad was enough to cause a shortage of toilet paper locally.
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#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Chinese don't live in fear of whether Benelux is 'friendly' to them or not, and if the Beneluxers went insane and started trying to invade their neighbours, I'm sure China would treat it much the same way as Europe treats every war in Africa or Asia. Much 'concern', many pleas to follow international law. This is absurdly reductionist. Population matters (140 million vs 30 million). Location matters. Size matte…
“American empire will end sometime this century “ - at the rate things are going American empire has a good chance to end this decade :).
Could even be this year.