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LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by _ph_ »

jen20 wrote: post #50
_ph_ wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they should all have taken actions. But also, it is much more difficult to fix something broken once the damage has settled in. I guess none of them was willing to risk the disruption a fix would have caused. And the system seemed to have held up for quite a while. Weren't there some mass firings of ATC personal at the beginning of the Trump presidency? The bottom line is: don't break things that are difficult o…

The is a good idea, but once they are broken, you should at least try to fix them, or bear some of the blame for not having tried.

Absolutely. But for many things, denial is easier than fixing. See climate change. We knew about the problem for a long time. At latest after the oil crisis in the early 70ies, it would have been the perfect moment to reduce fossil fuel usage. Of course we know, how this has not happened and so we just entered the next oil crisis last week. And everyone is to blame for that.

Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

pc86 wrote: post #250
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the airport is closed, in case there was an emergency that needed to reroute. One person on then makes sense? La Guardia appears to handle 400 flights a day, 22 an hour. I see 6 moving planes right now ( https://www.flightradar24.com/airport/lga ); hopefully they have more than one person on?

400 flights a day is 16-17 per hour and those are going to be mostly during the day. As someone else points out there is a ~6 hour stretch overnight with no scheduled departures . That's somewhat common even at large hubs. I don't want to blow your mind but if the airport closes there aren't going to be any controllers in the tower.

I accounted for 'closed' hours. Hence 22/h. The incident in question was close to closing time, but there were 2 issues, one a declared emergency.

Likely, the problem was with truck 1 wishing to get to the emergency quickly. There was at least one queued landing hence the go-around demand after the crash.

It doesn't blow my mind, but at a major air hub like LGA I'm surprised there isn't a controller on site for callout?

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Post by fleroviumna »

ndiddy wrote: post #5

I just hope they don't try to pin this on the controller who was on duty and move on without putting plans in place for some sort of structural change. Controllers are forced to work 60+ hour weeks and overnight shifts, and the controller in question was working both ground and air control simultaneously due to staffing shortages. If you listen to the ATC audio, he was handling finding a spot for a plane that aborted…

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Re: LaGuardia pilots raised safety alarms months before deadly runway crash

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Post by mrbukkake »

Ehronn wrote: post #316
mrbukkake wrote: post #18

Maybe they could try using ICE agents as air traffic controllers too

I've been an ICE agent for about a year now after a 12 year career in law enforcement, and prior to that did 4 years in the Navy. So I would love to do the training and help out with that.

That puts you neatly above the maximum age to start ATC training unfortunately bud
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