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FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Somebody has to pay for the support. There is no free meal. The problem is not that people need a free meal. The problem is that people need the ability to eat some other food when the OEM's restaurant is closed or unsatisfactory.

Who creates and regularly keeps the firmware for the dozens and dozens of router models secure and up-to-date? Who ensures the maintainers for these routers are incentivized to do this competently and in a timely fashion? You haven’t answered these key questions, which are equally or more important than whether a community firmware can be applied.

> Who creates and regularly keeps the firmware for the dozens and dozens of router models secure and up-to-date?

99% of the firmware is not actually device specific, and more to the point no one has to create it because it already exists and is already maintained. You don't have to write the Linux kernel from scratch for every different device.

The problem looks like this: The vendor creates an opaque blob that runs on part of the device. This is only 1% of the code that runs on the device but it's the device-specific part. Moreover, that code interacts with the kernel, but was written to assume a specific older version of the kernel which is now out of date.

Updating it to use a newer kernel requires very little work if you have the source code -- in that case much of it is just automated refactoring -- but without the code it becomes a much more arduous reverse engineering effort. Likewise, if the device-specific code has a bug and you have the source code, the cause of the problem is easier to identify and the fix is to change two lines and recompile it. But without the code just identifying the problem becomes an intensive reverse engineering task again.

So you have a community which is willing and able to do a finite amount of work. Some subset of the device owners are programmers and if they can spend two hours fixing a problem that they themselves have, it gets fixed for everyone. But if fixing the same problem takes them two months, they don't. Therefore, the solution is to do the thing that allows it to take the shorter amount of time so that it actually happens.

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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(reposting this comment from the other thread which discusses the same topic, I'm sorry for any trouble that may cause)

From one side, that sure... does have some point. Well, I mean, one could potentially install some kind of a backdoor on the networking hardware they produce, and if it's state-controlled, then it could potentially be a threat.

From the other side, though...

That's crazy. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, or maybe I'm just stupid, I don't know; but at this point, with almost no manufacturing in the USA, this feels like shooting yourself in the foot. Or rather, it's like shooting yourself straight up in the head if manufacturing will not be efficiently (so it can satisfy the demand) moved to the USA (which is a big challenge).

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

#328
Every Unix and 9front OS can be a router with two interfaces.

> Firmware updates for existing covered devices are allowed, but only through March 1, 2027.

Good luck enforcing that with libre firmware without being sued with some amendment until oblivion and the FCC -the irony- gets sued like crazy.

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

#330

this administration is going nuts day by day. I don't know how people are even tolerating.

The people who can leave are leaving, those who cannot remain until potential change is possible.

Bloomberg Editorial Board: The US Must Not Become a Nation of Emigrants - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-03-20/immigr... | https://archive.today/a9DbM - March 20th, 2026

> A recent analysis found that US emigration has reached unprecedented levels. Much of this exodus is due to the administration’s deportation efforts, but by no means all. Last year, at least 180,000 American citizens left the Land of Opportunity to find a better life elsewhere.

> During the recession of 2008, a Gallup poll found that about 1 in 10 Americans wanted to permanently leave the country. That figure is now 1 in 5. Among women ages 15 to 44, it’s a whopping 40%. Some of that sentiment is tied to politics, of course, but the emigration trend predates the current administration.

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