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US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

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Post by defrost »

yanhangyhy wrote: post #319

This is the core flaw of the democratic system. Once a person gets elected, democracy effectively ends. Many of their policies may be harmful to the country, and their promises may not be fulfilled, but there is no punishment mechanism. As long as they step down from office, the media may criticize or mock them, yet no one really cares about the damage they caused. Leaving aside the fact that offshore wind power is a…

* This is the core flaw of the (USofA) democratic system.

* Once a person gets elected, (USofA) democracy effectively ends.

* Many of their policies may be harmful to the country, and their promises may not be fulfilled, but there is no punishment mechanism (in the USofA).

All democratic systems are not the USofA .. the USofA hasn't progressed much since inception.

Re: US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

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Post by pfannkuchen »

dashundchen wrote: post #309
dchinu wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cough Cough Big Bank bailout..... this is corpocracy with two branding every few year interval.

You should probably look up when the TARP bailiut program was passed and initiated, because it wasn't when Obama was president. The Great Financial Crisis brewed and exploded under Bush. Obama pushed for the 2010 Dodd Frank reforms to rein in big banks after that. Corporate bailouts, huge deficit spending, mega tax cuts for the mega rich, and bottomless pit defense spending have been Republican policy for the last 50…

Left (foot), right (foot).

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Post by adrianN »

defrost wrote: post #321
yanhangyhy wrote: post #319

This is the core flaw of the democratic system. Once a person gets elected, democracy effectively ends. Many of their policies may be harmful to the country, and their promises may not be fulfilled, but there is no punishment mechanism. As long as they step down from office, the media may criticize or mock them, yet no one really cares about the damage they caused. Leaving aside the fact that offshore wind power is a…

* This is the core flaw of the (USofA) democratic system. * Once a person gets elected, (USofA) democracy effectively ends. * Many of their policies may be harmful to the country, and their promises may not be fulfilled, but there is no punishment mechanism (in the USofA). All democratic systems are not the USofA .. the USofA hasn't progressed much since inception.

Which countries do substantially better?

Re: US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects

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Post by adrianN »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #168
standardUser wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are taking money committed to a wind project and redirecting it towards burning fossil fuels - because what other lesson can we take from a global energy shock other than to increase our exposure to the next one? The company itself (France's Total) had already committed to the wind deal, so now the Trump admin is letting them off the hook, and using Trump's irrational refusal to issue licenses for wind power as…

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You should be lobbying for cheap electricity so that people put heat pumps in their homes instead of burning diesel for heat.

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Post by kelnos »

dashundchen wrote: post #309
dchinu wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cough Cough Big Bank bailout..... this is corpocracy with two branding every few year interval.

You should probably look up when the TARP bailiut program was passed and initiated, because it wasn't when Obama was president. The Great Financial Crisis brewed and exploded under Bush. Obama pushed for the 2010 Dodd Frank reforms to rein in big banks after that. Corporate bailouts, huge deficit spending, mega tax cuts for the mega rich, and bottomless pit defense spending have been Republican policy for the last 50…

... while all the time blaming Democrats for everything they do themselves, at a much larger scale.

Hypocrisy works, if you have an electorate that can't think critically and are addicted to "news" sources that confirm their biases.

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Post by adrianN »

stared wrote: post #160
mikkupikku wrote: post #96

If the government would like to pay me to also not build wind turbines, hit me up. I mean, I wasn't going to build any in the first place, but I think this makes me qualified to continue not building any.

> [Major Major’s father's] specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn’t earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major’s father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On…

So Major Major‘s father is being paid to let land be available for rich biodiversity. Sounds not unreasonable to me.

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Post by happosai »

pptr wrote: post #248

This really seems like a nothing burger. The $1B were a refund. Net exchange ~$0. Building out fossile fuel production shifts oil revenue from various dictatorships around the world to the US in this case. That's a good thing. I wish we in Europe produced more gas ourselves instead of being highly dependent on other countries. This does not mean higher gas demand, which is what matters for CO2 reduction.

The production shifts oil revenue from Islamic dictatorships to Christian dictatorship of USA. Maybe a hyperbole for now, but for how long? Independent media and education under attack, gerrymandering your voting rights away etc. Considering most of the population lives is solid red or blue state and thus their vote for president doesn't count, how much of a democracy is USA when the minority of independents live in swing states are the only who's vote counts?

Also USA us doing nothing relevant to reduce gas demand like CO2 cap and trade or CO2 based tariffs.

At this rate buy Chinese will be a more moral choice than buy American by next decade.

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Post by kelnos »

qingcharles wrote: post #290
ok_dad wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We are being lead to our demise by idiots. They aren't idiots, they are evil. They know what they are doing; enriching themselves and hoarding political power and resources. Claiming these folks are dumb rather than evil propagates the idea that we should give them some sort of leeway. In fact, we should have sent these clowns to prison 5 years or more ago.

I don't think they even care about enriching themselves. I don't think they care about the money. I don't even think these little projects move the needle much. It's literally just evil for evil's sake.

Yes. Many of these people are rich enough that they could stop working today and their descendants could maintain their lifestyle for generations. It's about power, and leveraging that power over people they don't like, for petty reasons.

Those who aren't rich enough... yes, just pure evil. Their parents didn't hug them enough or something, and now they think that "owning the libs" is a life strategy. It's pathetic. I'd feel bad for them if they weren't causing so much harm in the process.

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Post by kelnos »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #218
tw04 wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/03/trumps-latest-anti-w... They only get the money if they reinvest in oil and gas. It’s not just trying to kill wind, it’s actively trying to expand burning fossil fuels. We are being lead to our demise by idiots.

The only idiots are the people who voted for Trump

It's tempting to dismiss them like that, but that doesn't fix anything.

The reality is much more complicated. The Democratic party is far from perfect (they kinda suck, in fact), and if they aren't attracting voters, "the other side is just stupid" is a useless, arrogant way to go.

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Post by defrost »

adrianN wrote: post #323
defrost wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* This is the core flaw of the (USofA) democratic system. * Once a person gets elected, (USofA) democracy effectively ends. * Many of their policies may be harmful to the country, and their promises may not be fulfilled, but there is no punishment mechanism (in the USofA). All democratic systems are not the USofA .. the USofA hasn't progressed much since inception.

Which countries do substantially better?

Ones that can remove corrupt officials, not merely toothlessly impeach them to no actual end.

Ones that can call a new election on a dime (relative to the lumbering US system) and don't fetishize a Little King absolute ruler.

Looking about, Australia (as one example) took a hard look at both the US and UK systems and ran with a hybrid of their own design - "Washminster".

Australia has shortcomings, as do all systems, but they do have the ability to churn Prime Ministers at a quick pace until they get a good one .. with no great impact on the functioning of the country, they have proportional voting - and get a wider spread than a simplistic monolithic two party standoff as a result, better seperation of Legal, Civil, Policy, and Military than currently evidenced in the US.

All the same, there are 190+ countries in the world .. and the USofA is just one - and certainly not the poster child for a well run democracy.

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