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Still need massive amounts of compute for training. Nobody is going to be training 400B models on a phone any time soon.
Likely not. We’re seeing a massive slowing in the value of all that additional training. Folks don’t like to talk about that, but absent a completely new break-thru the current math of LLMs has largely run its course. We simply don’t need massive training forever and ever. We’re getting to the point that “good enough” models will solve most use cases. The demonstrated business value is also still broadly missing for…
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#324It's a nice experiment, but I really wonder what's the use case? Privacy, yes. Local, yes. But then? Will people really use an LLM in their iPhone while they can use LLM infrastructure with bigger models for complex tasks? I mean, it really looks cool. But I don't think it's gonna be the future of local AI also. Maybe someone who can build up a very specialized local model for one particular task can enjoy that. Not…
If the alternative is paying a subscription and/or being fed ads, people will try the local private ones first.
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#325To the extent that the present LLM movement reaches a steady state conclusion it’s highly likely to be open source models on your own hardware that are “good enough” for 95% of use cases. That blows up the whole “industrial complex” being developed around massive data centers, proprietary models, and everything that goes with that. Complete implosion. Apple has sat on the sidelines for much of this as it seems clear…
I assume you mean open weight models? I wish we had better open source models. It would make LLMs far less icky if we had nice clean open trained models. A breakthrough on the cost of training would be nice.
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#326To the extent that the present LLM movement reaches a steady state conclusion it’s highly likely to be open source models on your own hardware that are “good enough” for 95% of use cases. That blows up the whole “industrial complex” being developed around massive data centers, proprietary models, and everything that goes with that. Complete implosion. Apple has sat on the sidelines for much of this as it seems clear…
Still need massive amounts of compute for training. Nobody is going to be training 400B models on a phone any time soon.
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Likely not. We’re seeing a massive slowing in the value of all that additional training. Folks don’t like to talk about that, but absent a completely new break-thru the current math of LLMs has largely run its course. We simply don’t need massive training forever and ever. We’re getting to the point that “good enough” models will solve most use cases. The demonstrated business value is also still broadly missing for…
I dunno, I thought that too for a while too, but there are a lot of new ideas in terms of architecture that may warrant massive training runs. Mamba and state space models are pretty interesting, but haven’t had their transformer moment yet because I haven’t really seen anyone go for broke on training it with a huge data set and model size. Even some of the more fundamental changes too like Kolmogorov–Arnold Networks…
I don't think the argument is that isn't true, it's that the gains from those massive training runs is diminishing. Eventually, it won't be worth it to do the run for each new idea, you'll have to bundle a bunch together to get any noticeable change.
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The Anthropic logo is just Kurt Vonnegut’s drawing of an asshole: https://scienceleadership.org/thumbnail/34729/1920x1920 Just in case if someone still didn't realize - we do live in Idiocracy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGlJgU9x8tM
there is a case to be made that all AI company logos are just drawings of assholes: https://velvetshark.com/ai-company-logos-that-look-like-butt...
> OpenAI's original logo was a simple, text-based mark. Then came the redesign: a perfect circle with a subtle gradient and central void.
The redesign is neither a circle nor does it have a gradient.
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#329I had a dream that everyone had super intelligent AIs in their pockets, and yet all they did was doomscroll and catfish...shortly before everything was destroyed.
The Anthropic logo is just Kurt Vonnegut’s drawing of an asshole: https://scienceleadership.org/thumbnail/34729/1920x1920 Just in case if someone still didn't realize - we do live in Idiocracy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGlJgU9x8tM
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#330This is less about “running a 400B model on a phone” and more about clever engineering around constraints. What’s actually happening is: in mixture-of-experts only a small subset of weights is active per token Aggressive quantization Streaming weights from storage instead of loading everything into RAM So the effective working set is much smaller than 400B. That said, the trade-offs are obvious: very low token throug…
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