I can understand how and why they are able to go after users, who violate ToS, but I do not understand how are why they can go after open source developers, who just publish some source code that seems to be protected speech under the First Amendment [0] in the US jurisdiction.
Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
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Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#322Since there's a lot of questions about what this means, let me explain. Anthropic has two different products that are relevant here: the Claude API and Claude Code. The Claude API has usage based pricing. The more you use, the more you pay. With Claude Code, you can get a monthly subscription which gives you a fixed amount of usage. Comparing equivalent token generation between the Claude API and Claude Code, Claude…
> Anthropic has two different products that are relevant here: the Claude API and Claude Code. No, the two relevant products are Claude API vs Claude subscription. There's no "Claude Code subscription". There's just a subscription for all Claude services at once.
Their ToS says differently. You can't argue with what's explicitly in their legal agreement.
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
> threatening OpenClaw IIRC it was called Clawdbot when Anthropic complained. IANAL but I believe the holder of a trademark is obligated to defend it against infringement. Hard to say that Clawdbot was not potentially infringing, given its purpose. It's not clear how much leeway Anthropic had given his initial choice of name.
And what relation does Anthropic or Claude have woth the name Clawdbot
It could reasonably cause confusion in the marketplace. Again, IANAL.
If you wanted to find out the actual legal arguments, you could release and promote software for white-collar workers called Mycrosoft Offyce and I am sure you will get official legal answers from Microsoft's counsel.
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
The $20/mo Pro subscription only allows regular chat and Claude Code and does not allow you to export your API key without reverse engineering CC. The higher tiers allows console and direct API usage. Basically, the concept of Claude-Code having its own API tier holds.
Really? I thought API key usage was always billed per token, not via monthly allowances?
There're keys for users to access their public API with whatever they want, and there're tokens for Claude Code to access their private API.
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
> threatening OpenClaw IIRC it was called Clawdbot when Anthropic complained. IANAL but I believe the holder of a trademark is obligated to defend it against infringement. Hard to say that Clawdbot was not potentially infringing, given its purpose. It's not clear how much leeway Anthropic had given his initial choice of name.
so they own the trademark to Clawd? Or is it suppose to be Claude?
PTO has a page on this:
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/search/likelihood-confusion
The example in question is a Trademark for "T. Markey" and the conflicting mark is listed as "Tee Marqee".
Reasonableness is a thing here. Every person in this thread knows why it was called Clawdbot and not (say) Peterbot or cronbot. That we all know that reason is the problem.
Edit, the USPTO does in fact make this blindingly easy to find:
https://www.uspto.gov/page/about-trademark-infringement
"How do I know whether I'm infringing?" --> "The key factors considered in most cases are the degree of similarity between the marks at issue and whether the parties' goods and/or services are sufficiently related that consumers are likely to assume (mistakenly) that they come from a common source."
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#326I've said it before and I'll say it again. The people mad about this feel they are entitled to the heavily subsidized usage in any context they want, not in the context explicitly allowed by the subsidizer. It's kind of like a new restaurant started handing out coupons for "90% off", wanting to attract diners to the restaurant, customers started coming in and ordering bulk meals then immediately packaging them in tup…
I love this argument because people grab Anthropic’s API pricing, stop there, and present it at face value.
Only Anthropic knows their inference costs. And do we _really_ think they’re losing money? Hahaha
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#327Is this relevant for people that use regular (per-token credit-based) API key?
No, this is perfectly OK with the ToS.
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#328I'm really struggling to understand how Anthropic is benefited by not allowing this. Its bad PR for no good reason. The only thing I can figure is that Claude Code is hemorrhaging money, they're too afraid to actually enforce reasonable token limits, and the only thing that's keeping it from totally bankrupting the company tomorrow is: controlling the harness and having the harness dynamically route toward Haiku or S…
You are wayy overestimating the negative press. HN commenters are a negligible fraction of Anthropic's user base, and I can guarantee that even people here will forget about this and go right back to using Claude Code in a couple days when there is something else to be outraged about. The company needs to do what is best for its business.
Pretty much this. When Anthropic broke the OAuth flow from OpenCode, I switched back to Claude Code.
I like Anthropic’s models better than OpenCode + GPT/Gemini.
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#329I know this is a low value comment, but Anthropic always felt like the good guys in this space. Now.. Fuck you Anthropic.
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#330Under what law can Anthropic force OpenCode to do this? Surely it's not illegal to publish code that interacts with an API that's open for everyone to see?
Presumably there's binding legal terms in the license agreement that users agree to in order to access the API.
And what makes Opencode beholden to that, and not the actual customer (you and I)?