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Post by throwaway27448 »

alex1138 wrote: post #292
p2detar wrote: post #140

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The absolutely broken moderator system of Reddit made me leave it forever after being a regular user for more than a decade. The “god-king” thing simply doesn’t work.

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I'm actually ok with reddit banning it and taking sides in political conflict. I just wish they didn't pretend to be unbiased when it's made it a useless site for discussing current reality.

Edit: to be clear, I'm more concerned about how russia was basically banned from the site but worldnews itself seems like the primary fountain of western astroturfing on the internet. No matter your opinion of putin, that is extremely unhealthy for productive discourse. I don't care about american domestic politics.

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Post by throwaway27448 »

pwndByDeath wrote: post #314
nichos wrote: post #305

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Who decides what "hate" is though? Does it switch with every administration? Free speech, including "hate speech" should be allowed, as long as it doesn't violate the law (calls to violence, etc)

I agree that free speech is free speech, the private org that runs the platform has a veto, the assumption that these platforms are the equivilant of stepping into the street to stand on a box is a not realistic. Even HN is only quasi-free speech, there are rules that will get one censored. If you love freedom, there are mailing lists and other platforms but they arnt as high on dopamine and the audience gets a littl…

Even the US never had free speech—there was always stuff you could/can say to get you gagged by the courts or thrown in prison. Your freedoms always stop at impacting other people.

Somehow we jut gave business owners more freedoms than we gave everyone else....

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Post by allajfjwbwkwja »

mschuster91 wrote: post #218
gzread wrote: post #197

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I still haven't been able to figure out how to make an account without it being immediately shadowbanned or normalbanned. Tried again the other day, it was something in between where logged-out users could see it was banned but I couldn't.

You need to ditch and replace all your devices and acquire a new phone number. I'm serious. Virtually all large websites these days employ a lot of fingerprinting and persistence technologies. And yes, ditch them. Even well over a decade ago, Wikipedia of all places already employed IP address matching to link sockpuppet accounts. You must be extremely careful of never using any device that was associated with your o…

It happens to all new accounts. It's known that new account are shadowbanned almost everywhere until they are 30 days old and farmed some karma on a very small set of subreddits that don't shadowban new accounts. It's shocking they ever get any new users, really; as far as a non-technical new user knows, nobody ever reads their comments for some reason.

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Post by adam12 »

mikeocool wrote: post #51

Kinda seems like we’re rapidly headed for the complete collapse of the internet as we know it. Every site that is driven by user posting seems to be headed towards being overrun by AI bots chatting with each other, either for sake of promoting something or farming karma. And there’s really not much point in publishing good content anymore, since AI is just going slurp it up and regurgitate it without driving you any…

Yeah, we need human verification more than age verification.

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Post by taikahessu »

chasebank wrote: post #255
JimDabell wrote: post #149

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> people are letting bots act on their behalf (moltbook is a great example of this) and what's to stop people doing that in the future. Verifiable credentials; services can get persistent pseudonymous identifiers that are linked to a real-world identity. Ban them once and they stay banned. It doesn’t matter if a person lets a bot post inauthentic content using their identity if, when they are caught, that person cann…

I've talked about this on here before, but we think the solution is an auth layer built on top of credit score through an intermediary like creditkarma. The score itself doesn't really matter but it does solve big problems. Plus, if you wanted to implement a filtering system for users, I personally would rather trust reviews / comments from credit scores over 650, they have less incentive to be astroturfing. But yes,…

How is that creditkarma accumulated? By other "users"? Does the intermediary guarantee, the this account is a valid person now and always, and not sold the account or not stolen? I mean, we will always need some middlemen I guess?

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Post by 0dayz »

heavyset_go wrote: post #319
tlonny wrote: post #178

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Indeed - the future is RL meet-ups and small, intimate online communities. Perhaps not the worst thing in the world?

Counterpoint: https://reddit.com/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI/ People will prefer the bots that give them head pats and tell them they're so smart and that they love them

I don't necessarily think that is a stop-gap against people socializing more offline/being socially productive online.

Especially considering the fact that it seems more the case that the bigger stop-gap is what we already have:

In asian (especially Japan) it's host(ess) clubs.

Globally for friends it's influencers exploiting loneliness.

Those are things I think has to go for people to embrace offline socialization or using their online time better.

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Post by zulban »

hrimfaxi wrote: post #249
zulban wrote: post #238

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But then if the AI is detected that person can be permanently banned. No more AI. No new accounts.

So if someone compromises your identity they can unperson you? How will the AI be detected? By another AI?

"So if someone compromises your identity they can unperson you?"

You've identified a problem that unrelated systems also have. Like banks and identity theft. This solution isn't responsible for causing that problem.

"How will the AI be detected? By another AI?"

However a platform likes to. Let the best platform win.

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Post by 0dayz »

qingcharles wrote: post #286
dangus wrote: post #269

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I would say that HN has a lot of features that would be seen as draconian in how much they limit your interaction by other platforms. You can barely comment before you are rate limited. You can’t upvote until you’ve been around a pretty long time. New accounts are given a green badge of dishonor that makes users scrutinize their comments more. I’m not saying these are bad things but they’re probably too restrictive f…

The karma points you get on HN are worthless, which I think is a bonus. They don't buy you anything. On Reddit, for instance, many parts of the site are walled off until you have "farmed" enough karma to participate.

Not exactly true.

You get the right to down vote and if I promote my totally not a scam product on HN, people will check my user account and see: on wow over 9000 karma? Gotta be trust worthy, when in truth it's just been karma farming.

HN does limit some of it, but it's not a panacea.

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Post by oscaracso »

iamdamian wrote: post #260
PaulHoule wrote: post #246

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It behooves you to not write like that if you don’t want people dehumanizing you.

> It behooves you to not write like that if you don’t want people dehumanizing you. I have to strongly disagree with you on this. It behooves us (as a species) not to degrade our own manner of speaking and writing simply because of a (possibly temporary) technical anomaly. In my view, it would be really, really sad to lose expressive punctuation or ways of constructing sentences simply because they're overused by AI.…

Your prose is poor so it is no wonder. Half the words you use are superfluous, some are nonsensical, and you beg the question.

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Post by echelon »

gzread wrote: post #232
echelon wrote: post #220

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The word "content" is gross. "Creator", on the other hand, is beautiful. It means you don't have to pick a lane. Anything can be creative. Documentary filmmaking, stop motion, dance, costume work, historical reenactment, indie animation, economics essays, game dev... The problem is we don't have a nice word that holistically captures the output of creators. They're not all making films or illustrations. So what do yo…

Since it's OnlyFans, I'd think something like "porn stars" or "online girlfriends" If it were YouTube, "YouTuber" is a start, but you could also be a "YouTube science communicator" or something

Creator is a fine word to use in place of YouTuber. And vice versa.

But what do you call their output?

What do you call an illustrator's output? A photographer? What about when all of that shows up on your feed collectively?

Content is a gross word.

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