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Agents that run while I sleep

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Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by dwedge »

This is a really good article but I do kind take issue with the intro, because it's the same assertion I see all over the place :

> Changes land in branches I haven't read. A few weeks ago I realized I had no reliable way to know if any of it was correct: whether it actually does what I said it should do.

> I care about this. I don't want to push slop

They clearly didn't care about that. They only cared about non stop lines of code generation and shipping anything fast. Otherwise they wouldn't need weeks to realise that they weren't reading or testing this code - it's obvious from the outset.

Maybe their approach to this changed and that's fine, but at the beginning they very much did not care and I feel people only keep saying that do because otherwise they'd need to be the one to admit the emperor isn't wearing clothes.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by misja111 »

wesselbindt wrote: post #133

Does anyone know what this guy is having his agents build? Bc I looked a bit and all I see him ship is linkedin posts about Claude.

I can't imagine he's building anything serious. How can you claim otherwise that your agents were deploying code that you couldn't verify. Imagine doing that in any serious business ..

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by dwedge »

hi_hi wrote: post #206

This _all_ (waves hands around) sounds like alot of work and expense for something that is meant to make programming easier and cheaper. Writing _all_ (waves hands around various llm wrapper git repos) these frameworks and harnesses, built on top of ever changing models sure doesn't feel sensible. I don't know what the best way of using these things is, but from my personal experience, the defaults get me a looong wa…

It being a lot of work is why they didn't do it at all for weeks and still, without self reflection, wrote that they care about the code quality of the code they hadn't looked at or tested

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by autodate »

recroad wrote: post #83

Am I supposed to be impressed by this? I think people are now just using agents for the sake of it. I'm perfectly happy running two simple agents, one for writing and one for reviewing. I don't need to go be writing code at faster than light speed. Just focusing on the spec, and watching the agent as it does its work and intervening when it goes sideways is perfectly fine with me. I'm doing 5-7x productivity easily,…

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Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by voidUpdate »

mjrbrennan wrote: post #144
recroad wrote: post #83

Am I supposed to be impressed by this? I think people are now just using agents for the sake of it. I'm perfectly happy running two simple agents, one for writing and one for reviewing. I don't need to go be writing code at faster than light speed. Just focusing on the spec, and watching the agent as it does its work and intervening when it goes sideways is perfectly fine with me. I'm doing 5-7x productivity easily,…

Yes I'm still not really understanding this "run agents overnight" thing. Most of the time if I use claude it's done in 5-20 minutes. I've never wanted to have work done for me overnight...tomorrow is already plenty of time for more work, it's not going anywhere, and my employer isn't paying me to produce overnight.

Its for when you want to write an spec like "make me a todo list app", then tell your agent of choice to go have fun, and return in the morning to a fully finished app, and not care about what the code is actually doing

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by stavros »

tbossanova wrote: post #231
jack_pp wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what in God's Name could you do in PHP that you can't do in a modern framework?

Nothing; but PHP, in experienced hands, will be waaay more productive for small-to-medium things. One issue is that experienced hands are increasingly hard to come by. Truly big, complicated things, built by large teams or numbers of teams, teams with a lot of average brains or AIs trained on average brains, will be better off in something like Typescript/React. And everyone wants to work on the big complicated stuff…

I don't think it's true that experienced hands will be faster in PHP than in Python or JS or whatever. It's just about what you know, and experienced hands are experienced.

Re: Agents that run while I sleep

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

josephg wrote: post #297
godelski wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't believe we're back to advocating for TDD. It was a failed paradigm that last few times we tried it. This time isn't any different because the fundamental flaw has always been the same: tests aren't proofs, they don't have complete coverage. Before anyone gets too confused, I love tests. They're great. They help a lot. But to believe they prove correctness is absolutely laughable. Even the most general tests a…

Testing works because tests are (essentially) a second, crappy implementation of your software. Tests only pass if both implementations of your software behave the same way. Usually that will only happen if the test and the code are both correct. Imagine if your code (without tests) has a 5% defect rate. And the tests have a 5% defect rate (with 100% test coverage). Then ideally, you will have a 5%^2 defect rate afte…

I think there is a difference whether you do TDD or write tests after the fact to avoid regression. TDD can only work decently if you already know your specs very well, but not so much when you still need to figure them out, and need to build something actual to be able to figure it out.
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