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Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by ohrus »

KolibriFly wrote: post #309
cs702 wrote: post #81

Even a dog can vibe-code! And the apps kinda, sorta work most of the time, like most apps vibe-coded by people! I'm reminded of the old cartoon: "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog."[a] Maybe the updated version should be: "AI doesn't know or care if you're a dog, as long as you can bang the keys on on a computer keyboard, even if you only do it to get some delicious treats." This is brilliant as social comme…

The human built the system, the AI did the implementation and the dog provided the "intent" even if that intent was just treat seeking randomness. It turns software creation into something that looks less like writing and more like cultivating

Cultivating is a great word choice. It would fit in nicely in a Brave New World.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by soulofmischief »

pineaux wrote: post #310
KolibriFly wrote: post #309

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The human built the system, the AI did the implementation and the dog provided the "intent" even if that intent was just treat seeking randomness. It turns software creation into something that looks less like writing and more like cultivating

This reaction feels like an llm wrote it

Just because LLMs habitually make negative comparisons doesn't mean we have to go around accusing anyone who uses them of having used an LLM.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by frumiousirc »

dakolli wrote: post #250
cs702 wrote: post #81

Even a dog can vibe-code! And the apps kinda, sorta work most of the time, like most apps vibe-coded by people! I'm reminded of the old cartoon: "On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog."[a] Maybe the updated version should be: "AI doesn't know or care if you're a dog, as long as you can bang the keys on on a computer keyboard, even if you only do it to get some delicious treats." This is brilliant as social comme…

Funny idea, but this proves my point that these tools are actually just slot machines.. Except the house in this case takes the money you give them lights it on fire. Notice how people also have weird superstitious habits when using LLM tools, "You gotta write the prompt this way, say this first" Without having any way to prove it works. Its very similar to the behavior of gamblers. "push the buttons in this order fo…

> these tools are actually just slot machines

Slot machines that are biased toward producing jackpots.

And "jackpots" are a metaphor for "training distribution".

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by imtringued »

lelanthran wrote: post #286
mikkupikku wrote: post #180

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Sounds great to me. Software devs might lose their jobs but billions of people will be empowered to spin up whatever software they need on demand. This is the future I dreamed of when I was a kid, and I'm not so cynical as to let the dying of a trade sour me to this objectively incredible technology.

> This is the future I dreamed of when I was a kid, and I'm not so cynical as to let the dying of a trade sour me to this objectively incredible technology. I feel that you should take a longer-term view of things... If an AI can vibe code from the requirements of the average white-collar worker, we're not talking about the death of a trade. Or even two trades. We're talking about the death of almost all white-collar…

Yeah this is one of the most perplexing things about this "dying of a trade" narrative.

Software development isn't just the act of producing a deliverable that is being gate kept by people who use their own body. Software development has become specialized enough that it is often highly domain specific. To replace the "trade" you need to automate the software part and the domain knowledge part. If you can do both, you've automated every single white collar job in existence.

Since it is possible to write software for machine learning, which is used to solve problems that classical algorithms failed to solve, the amount of problems that cannot be solved using software is shrinking rapidly. If you can write software for any domain, you can solve any domain by using said software.

General purpose software generation can be reduced to AGI completeness. In a way, it is the last job that can be automated.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by cardanome »

mikkupikku wrote: post #314
DrewADesign wrote: post #210

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Nobody gives a damn about the dying of a trade. People don’t want their house foreclosed on when they lose their income, or their cancer to kill them when they lose their health insurance, to move an elderly parent into a cheap shitty old folks home because they can’t afford home health care, or not be able to pay for their kid to go on that school field trip. This would all be pretty fucking swell if the fundamental…

You act as if this is the first time in history technology has wiped out a trade and made people scramble to sort out their lives. No, this has been happening over and over again throughout history and at a rapidly accelerating pace since the industrial revolution. Why should we ask it to slow down on behalf of programmers, when it never did for anybody else? Don't pretend you didn't know this was a possibility when…

The industrial revolution resulted in children being worked to literal death. Of people toiling 16 hours ad day and living in cramped up spaces without any windows and barely any hygiene. It brought suffering on a scale never seen before.

Organized labor movements managed to fight back and improve conditions somewhat but will we be able to do it this time?

Humanity will not profit from generative AI, tech billionaires will. It is based on the theft of human labor of millions of programmer, artists and writers without any compensation. If left unchecked it will destroy the environment, any form of democracy, our mental health. It will cause mass unemployment at a grand scale.

Could it be in theory used for good? Maybe. As the current political situation stands it will cause massive suffering for the majority of people.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by wazHFsRy »

azeirah wrote: post #304
wazHFsRy wrote: post #235

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I think this misses something. The output here is something not the thing. Yes the scaffolding is important, but the requirements are even more important. You need crystal clear requirements + great scaffolding and then the implementation becomes mechanical.

Sorry but what do you mean crystal clear requirements? I don't particularly think "y7u8888888ftrg34BC" would pass as a crystal clear requirement at my workplace : Do you mean something different?

I mean you get a random game in the authors example :) But in real life you do not want a random game. That's what I mean, you need the great scaffolding + exact requirements. Then the prompt to do the implementation does not matter too much.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by thunky »

the_af wrote: post #191
charcircuit wrote: post #164

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I can because I have also used similar arguments. There are people who say that you should use a real artist instead of AI due to AI's water use. Yet in actuality asking a human to draw something will require more water. There are people who think AI uses more resources than humans which is why it must be said.

> There are people who say that you should use a real artist instead of AI due to AI's water use. Nobody I know says this. In fact, I've never heard of this ever before, and I read artist and hobby communities pretty hostile to AI, but I never once read this nice strawman you've built. People say you should use a real artist instead of AI for a multitude of reasons: - Because they want to enjoy art created by humans.…

> A human being is not some number on a spreadsheet, built over 20 years in order to achieve some "smartness" goal

But from the perspective of the business and capitalism that's exactly what a human is. A tool that consumes resources and hopefully produces more value for the business than it consumes.

Sure we can dance around this and you can pretend your employer gives a shit about you and your family and your childhood stories but they don't.

Re: I'm helping my dog vibe code games

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Post by a96 »

FarmerPotato wrote: post #71

Srsly, you need your pet in the feedback loop. It has to produce a game that Momo wants to play. Does Momo like to bark at cats? On screens? Introduce a bark sensor as feedback. Or use a cat. Cats like to swipe at mice on TV. Get a touchscreen and evolve a game for cats.

Read that as "you need to pet your feedback loop". And, well, yes.
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