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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by jjmarr »

jadenPete wrote: post #107

Then won’t foreign governments just ban freedom.gov? This problem has already been solved with networks like Tor and I2P. It seems like it would be more strategic to fund those projects instead.

> This problem has already been solved with networks like Tor and I2P. It seems like it would be more strategic to fund those projects instead.

The US government is responsible for 35% of Tor's funding[1] and has been its primary sponsor since Tor was invented as a side project in the US Naval Research Lab.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tor_Project

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by ojbyrne »

plorg wrote: post #233
general1465 wrote: post #35

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I wonder if American citizens from states which requires age verification to access porn (25 US states today) will be fine with it or these states will start demanding ID to access freedom.gov. It would be delicious irony.

Or, since it's apparently run by HHS, surely they will protect people looking for resources about abortion, hormones, etc. Real rich material coming from the government demanding it's biggest Internet companies unmask government critics.

Pretty sure it will be like TrumpRX. Big PR blitz and when the details are exposed, a nothing burger.

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Post by calmworm »

stinkbeetle wrote: post #264
touwer wrote: post #83

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It's not sad. It's smart to ban hate speech, blatant lies and things like that. We know, we had the Nazis. Seems the US still has to learn a lesson or two, considering the current political situation. Hope it will not be as bad

Is calling people nazis hate speech?

A rose by any other name…

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Post by glwiththat »

ceteia wrote: post #276
NuclearPM wrote: post #231

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Access to information is dangerous when the information is controlled propaganda.

Would educating people instead and giving them more options for information, not be better than banning access to information?

If educating people worked there wouldn’t be any obese people, or drunkards, or smokers, druggies, gamblers, people addicted to doomscrolling or video games or ragebait "news" or…

Education is as useful as preaching abstinence at horny teenagers instead of providing access to contraceptives

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Post by neom »

reconnecting wrote: post #108
nomilk wrote: post #100

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And before that, looks like the domain was used to give updates from the House Majority Leader (e.g. things like voting info, social security updates, legislative changes, tax info etc).

Gov't Not Ready For Y2K! https://web.archive.org/web/19990423190847/http://www.freedo...

The speak out about cloning gif is wild. Dolly the sheep anyone?

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Post by happymellon »

rtkwe wrote: post #311
crossroadsguy wrote: post #279

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At this point US has close to zero (if not negative) "soft" power.

Trade and tarriff relief are an option still. Despite how shitty the US has been and the distrust that will cause in the future access to US markets will be very attractive until the economy collapses. Soft power isn't just from countries liking you after all.

> Trade and tarriff relief are an option still.

That surely is running out of steam. Everyone's got whiplash from trying to watch America and it's tariffs. How do you know it won't be applied anyway, or forgiven for whatever flavour of the day policy it changes to.

There is very little point in conceding to it when you'll have another opportunity for something else that might be more amicable before the inks dry on that tariff.

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Post by ffsm8 »

ceteia wrote: post #312
ffsm8 wrote: post #297

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Intuitively yes, but it's possible that this is one of our biases speaking From my memory (might be mistaken) there have been attempts to somewhat study this via polls etc, and determined that coverage via propaganda (specifically Fox News) is less helpful then randomly guessing what actually happened... But ymmv, social studies are always hard to trust, because it's borderline impossible to prove cause and effect

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Your phrasing implies someone spook out against that, but nobody did?

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

ffsm8 wrote: post #297
ceteia wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would educating people instead and giving them more options for information, not be better than banning access to information?

Intuitively yes, but it's possible that this is one of our biases speaking From my memory (might be mistaken) there have been attempts to somewhat study this via polls etc, and determined that coverage via propaganda (specifically Fox News) is less helpful then randomly guessing what actually happened... But ymmv, social studies are always hard to trust, because it's borderline impossible to prove cause and effect

> From my memory (might be mistaken) there have been attempts to somewhat study this via polls etc, and determined that coverage via propaganda (specifically Fox News) is less helpful then randomly guessing what actually happened...

Ironically the studies of that nature are often themselves a form of propaganda, because it's entirely straightforward to structure the study to produce your preferred outcome.

There is a well-known human bias where people use information they know to try to guess information they don't. If you're given three random people and the only thing anyone has told you about them is that one is a drug addict and then you're asked to guess which one is a thief, more people are going to guess the drug addict. So now all you have to do is find a situation where the thief isn't actually the drug addict, let the media outlet tell people which one is the drug addict, and you'll have people guessing the wrong answer a higher proportion of the time than they would by choosing at random.

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Post by IAmGraydon »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #278

Such an irony that there are two sides trying to control the Internet in their own lovely ways and in the end it's the people who will have to suffer one way or the other. But I do think countries around the world should have a hard look at how the Internet is, even today, de facto controlled by the US. Take ".com" and ".net" domains for example. Like there are efforts underway to get away from SWIFT (and hopefully o…

You think you want US influence to weaken, but you may feel very differently should it happen. There is a lot you’re taking for granted.

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Post by deaux »

oezi wrote: post #319
stinkbeetle wrote: post #310

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> > There have also been other high profile cases of people being arrested for posting things that were not like that burn the hotel down case > Such as? That was the only thing in my comment you took issue with? Great, that's easy to clear up because there's a few around. Here's one https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/yorkshire-man-a... Arrested for saying "F--- Palestine. F--- Hamas. F--- Islam. Want to pr…

The key thing to understand is that Europeans want clear rules around hate speech, online harassment and such. Thus lawmakers are acting to find laws which encapsulate these. In Germany, we have some simple ones surrounding using Nazi symbols and speech. These rules generally work well in our civil law context. Civil law usually is rather broad strokes and there might be cases where something injust happens which req…

> The key thing to understand is that Europeans want clear rules around hate speech

Regardless of my personal thoughts on this (complicated), simply putting "many" in front of "Europeans" does a lot to diminish further alienation of those who don't, helping you achieve your goals. It takes 0.5 seconds.

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