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Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by coldtea »

tforcram wrote: post #314
tomnipotent wrote: post #279

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And not a single one of these is tenable, even when combined. How do the people that post reviews, or spread something over word-of-mouth, discover the thing in the first place? Try your hand at starting a business and trying to sell goods or services using these methods and see how well it works.

Tenable for what, global business? Many local businesses do fine without advertising and/or using these methods. Making global business harder and forcing things more local actually sounds like a great benefit.

I'm all for that as well.

We could use less 1T companies and more a few billion or 100s of millions level companies too. I miss the "focused on Mac and iPod" era Apple.

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Post by memish »

ktm5j wrote: post #29
linuxdude314 wrote: post #7

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Maybe you're not the type of person who's struggled with addiction, but it can do awful things to you. Yes, including being addicted to scrolling social media. It screws with your head to the point where you don't know how to live in the moment anymore. IMO it's a feature that's not valuable enough to justify the fact that it contributes to poor quality of life for people who can't put it down.

Would you ban alcohol and video games and Netflix?

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Post by kuschku »

kaycey2022 wrote: post #292
Funes- wrote: post #158

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>"well what specific laws would I write to combat addictive design?" Hear me out: banning advertising on the Internet. It's the only way. It's the primordial domino tile. You knock that one over, every other tile follows suit. It's the mother of chain reactions. There would be no social media, no Internet as we know it. Imagine having TikTok, YouTube or X trying to survive on subscriptions alone in their current iter…

If you want to ban something, then ban free social media. There has to be a minimum charge like 100$ or something a month (keep it tax free for all I care), to access any social media service with more than a 1000 members.

Microfiction:

Today, on June 1st 2030, I'd like to announce the launch of the fediverse cooperative, the first cooperative social media platform.

We pay out all our membership fees (minus hosting costs) to our entire cooperative.

To use our servers, you'll obviously have to become member of our cooperative, paying $100 a month in membership fees, and earning $99.50 a month in dividends.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by coldtea »

lobf wrote: post #285
coldtea wrote: post #250

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Have we come to such a low cultural point that ads are seen as some kind of basic human right? Fuck ads. What's absurd is tolerating them and the damage they do to media, consumers, kids, lesser and/or more honest businesses, culture, products, and so on all the way to the Windows and macOS system UIs.

I work in ads... :-/

I think HGttG had a good solution for that involving a large spaceship.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

coldtea wrote: post #317
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #297

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It's a corporation though. It can't do anything without paying someone to do it, unless someone volunteers to do it for free, which isn't very likely. And how do you self-host distribution? You would have to run your own fiber to every customer's house or spin up your own postal service or you're paying someone to do that.

> And how do you self-host distribution? You have your own website and your copy on it. Don't start that "but if you pay some hosting provider to host that website that would be advertising", or the "And how do you self-host distribution? You would have to run your own fiber to every customer's house or spin up your own postal service or you're paying someone to do that." that borders on being obtuse on purpose.

If you pay some hosting provider then you're obviously paying someone, and now you have the caravan of trucks going through the loophole because Facebook et al get into the hosting business and then their "spam filter" trusts the things on their own hosting service so using it becomes the way to get seen.

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Post by mrob »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #306
mrob wrote: post #252

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People don't need to discuss specific products, they only need to be aware of the existence of product categories. If it's genuinely the case that whole product categories are unknown to many people who could realistically benefit from them, as determined by a disinterested third party, an exception could be made for advertising that does not mention specific products or brands. The insulation example can be solved b…

> If it's genuinely the case that whole product categories are unknown to many people who could realistically benefit from them, as determined by a disinterested third party, an exception could be made for advertising that does not mention specific products or brands. Now all of the "brought to you by America's " ads are back in. So is every pharma ad and every other patented product because they don't have to tell y…

An industry group is not a disinterested party. Minimum competition requirements can be imposed. As I said elsewhere in the thread, a solution being imperfect is not a good reason to leave the problem unaddressed.

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Post by kuschku »

Izkata wrote: post #170
sensanaty wrote: post #156

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We were literally not given the choice in the matter, in the case of $JOB. Plenty of people complained about having to use their phones to access the buildings, but that was the policy. I suspect the next thing you're going to say is along the lines of "then just switch jobs", though.

> I suspect the next thing you're going to say is along the lines of "then just switch jobs", though. I mean even that might not work out. We just switched to MS Teams last year and Microsoft uses a push-based app, not TOTP or other offline keys like we'd used before. And Teams just seems to be getting more popular...

Microsoft can actually use TOTP, Push, or offline keys.

Which of them are available depends on what your company has configured.

If the push version is configured, it's possible it has also installed an MDM profile on your device. Avoid that, or your phone will get wiped when you leave the company in the future.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by kuschku »

theshackleford wrote: post #136
tokyobreakfast wrote: post #101

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> Dude, it's 2025. Actually, it's 2026 and has been for six weeks. > A few years ago, I accidentally left my phone at home when I went to work, and when I arrived I found that because I no longer had my 2FA device, I couldn't do any work until I went home again and picked it up. Sounds like a personal problem. There are many other 2FA authenticators available. Yubikey, TOTP tokens, smart cards, etc. Using a smartphon…

> I would refuse anything work-related on my personal phone. What a wonderful privileged position you hold. If only everyone could afford to tell their employer to pound sand in the same heroic manner you have undertaken. So brave.

Join a union. That's what they are for.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by kuschku »

MBCook wrote: post #304
retired wrote: post #282

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In Spain I can’t even have a meal at a restaurant, get groceries or go to IKEA without someone trying to sell me lottery tickets. They really need to regulate that.

Is your country allowed to ban it even if the EU in general allows it?

Germany has regulated it, (though states have slightly different regulations, some states even allowing online gambling, some banning all except the government run lottery).

So it should be possible to regulate it.

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