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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by PostOnce »

luke727 wrote: post #276
shevy-java wrote: post #229

"k-id, the age verification provider discord uses doesn't store or send your face to the server. instead, it sends a bunch of metadata about your face and general process details." I think the primary issue is not the "send your face" (face info) to a server. The problem is that private entities are greedy for user data, in this case tying facial recognition to activities related to interacting with other people, mos…

The frustration aimed at Discord et al is largely misplaced. I'm sure these companies don't mind gathering extra data about their users, but the primary impetus for age verification is government legislation. Moving to alternative platforms is not a long term solution because it's attacking the problem from the wrong direction.

You act like public opinion has no bearing on politics.

Historical precedent: prohibition.

Alternate future: the big websites start losing billions because people just use the internet less or not at all because it's a hassle with no return, and tax revenue drops. Then the politicians start to worry.

Even in the absence of democracy, public opinion affects politics.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by foltik »

giantrobot wrote: post #251
zythyx wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of actual solutions that could be implemented that don't invade privacy, but that's the point. These rules are all designed TO invade your privacy. They're designed for you to give up your online anonymity and make you accountable for your speech and actions online.

> They're designed for you to give up your online anonymity and make you accountable for your speech and actions online. They're designed destroy anonymity to give the in group pretext to persecute the out group . It will be propagandized as accountability but it will be anything but.

Is this serious or meant as satire about us-vs-them framing?

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by trinix912 »

int_19h wrote: post #310
trinix912 wrote: post #299

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This would suddenly mean no more custom browsers, no more custom OSes, and I doubt they'd cater to the Linux and BSD crowds with this one. It's something the OSS community has been trying to fight for the last 4 decades. With a full-on government requirement this would lock you to the vetted platforms while letting anything other get in would be illegal for the site owners.

It doesn't mean any of that? The point is that the parent, not the child, is the owner of the device. So the parent can restrict the device they own before handing it off to the child (or the same with accounts on the same device).

That’s what we currently have with parental controls. If they wanted the OS to check for the parent legally being an adult, that would rule out custom OSes and browsers which couldn’t be trusted (by the government) to check for that.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by extraduder_ire »

engelo_b wrote: post #2

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I prefer if it's pretty easy to bypass, if it's going to be law at all. My favourite example of this so far is how bluesky handles it.

https://gist.github.com/mary-ext/6e27b24a83838202908808ad528...

The official app/client is 100% legally compliant in its unmodified state. But doing something like using another client, having your PDS say you're age verified, or using a ublock origin rule to change where the geolocation API thinks you are completely sidestep it.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by int_19h »

dark-star wrote: post #281
esseph wrote: post #91

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> I know I will Are you a minority, LGBTQ+, etc or of a "different" political persuasion that might have any reason to be distrustful of the US government? If so, you probably wouldn't just "be done with it".

No, I'm not, and I also don't live under an opressive government that tracks those people down. I simply don't care if the us government or some random US company knows about what I play, eat, talk about or who I sleep with. And my guess is that outside the US LGBTQ+ and "different political view" bubble, most people also don't care. And that bubble makes up maybe 5% of Discord's user base

The real question is, how much of the "terminally online" population who is more likely to use paid Discord features?

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by miki123211 »

tuoret wrote: post #287
pests wrote: post #235

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> the thought of requiring others to show their faces never occurred to me at all I know you meant as a service provider, but as a avid IRC (and an online game that conventionally alt-tabbed into a irc-like chat window) chatter as a young preteen in the 90s and 00s, I made a lot of online friends that I would not discover what they looked like IRL for decades, some never. People I was gaming with in the 90s, for the…

In the early 2000s, the biggest social media (though we didn't call it that back then) in Finland was IRC-Galleria (IRC-Gallery). It was originally made for IRC users to upload pictures of themselves and see what fellow IRCers looked like. You'd create a profile, add pictures and tag which channels/servers you were on. Since there were no other websites like that back then, it was eventually overrun by non-IRC-users…

It's weird how different and hyper-local the social media landscape was back then. It's not just that every country had their own thing, it's also that they were all very different concepts and ideas.

Poland's social media of choice was "Nasza Klasa" (lit. "Our Class"), the American alternative was called "Classmates" as far as I know. It was intended as a service that let you re-unite with your old classmates, designed with the way the Polish school system worked in mind. It was used for far more than that though, and was quite popular among kids who were still at school.

We're still in that era with messaging apps somehow. WHile the local alternatives have mostly died out, the world is now a patchwork of WhatsApp, Messenger and Telegram, with islands of iMessage, Line, KakaoTalk and WeChat thrown into the mix. Most countries have basically standardized on one of these, but they can't agree on which one.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by miki123211 »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #292
supermatt wrote: post #275

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The solution is parents using the parental control feature on their children’s devices. If laws need to be made about something it should be to punish those parents who neglect to safeguard their children using the tools already available to them. If the parental controls currently provided aren’t sufficient then they should be modified to be so - in addition to filtering, they should probably send a header to websit…

Curious: are you ok with the other laws that are in place in the world to prevent underage people to engage with all sorts of activities? Like, for example, having to show an ID to being able to purchase alcohol?

I'm a lot more okay with that because alcohol purchasing doesn't have free speech implications.

It's weird how radicalized people get about banning books compared to banning the internet.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by extraduder_ire »

Tangentially, it's kind of weird how most of the sites' systems to verify your age try to get you to do it on a phone.

I've never used twitter on a phone, yet that's the only official way to go through the age verification process. Youtube too.

I attempted to get through the youtube one on a new account to see an age-gated video, but couldn't finish the process and gave up. At the time, I remember thinking it would be easier for me to buy an age verified google account from someone.

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