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Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by vldx »

moffkalast wrote: post #208
Insensitivity wrote: post #193

I was looking at the Meet repository as an example, people literally don't know how to write React, without drowning in `useEffect`, `eslint-disable`, `any`. React has it's issues (and a ton of them), but writing code like this, I expect it to end up exactly like Microsoft Teams quality wise. Honestly, at that point, it's indistinguishable from LLM slop

Why would one decide to even go with React in recent years anyway? Strangely I've seen it happen a lot too. I'd have thought that Vue or Svelte would be a slam dunk choice. Do project managers love bloat and lag or something?

The reactivity model fits well in real-time applications; perhaps SolidJS is better alternative in this context, though.

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Post by wtcactus »

well_ackshually wrote: post #231
wtcactus wrote: post #151

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Well, life isn't that easy then, because you failed to comprehend URSSAF's simulation tool. On a €2500 gross salary you take home €1651 (which is a very low salary in France very close to the minimum salary). But I guess you think the gross salary is what the company, by law, has to say they pay you, instead of what the total cost for the company of your salary. See, in France, even if you are getting close to the mi…

>It's a normal mistake for people that don't actually have to support the costs themselves. Once people actually start a small business or pay more attention to their own wages and how much is being taken away, they figure out how it actually works. No, thank you, I am quite well versed in the concept of superbrut, and actively pay more than a SMIC in taxes every year: you won't play that game with me. Va jouer, comm…

> They're employer _contributions_ to the system.

Nice. Look, I had a great idea for 0% worker taxes in France. You just change all the taxes accounting to make the numbers look like you take them from the employee instead of the worker, and puff, magical 0% taxes! It's great, isn't it?

> Now, there are ways to solve these expenses, they involve cutting all pensions. I'm sure you'll be okay with letting your parents, and mine, die, right ?

Man, I don't know you, I value my morning coffee more than your parents getting their retirement at 61 and receiving more - after taxes - than people that actually work to pay for their fantastic retiree life. But, I thought that all the taxes you paid are supposed to provide for your retirement. Are you actually telling me this is all a Ponzi scheme mandated by the State? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by well_ackshually »

wtcactus wrote: post #322
well_ackshually wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's a normal mistake for people that don't actually have to support the costs themselves. Once people actually start a small business or pay more attention to their own wages and how much is being taken away, they figure out how it actually works. No, thank you, I am quite well versed in the concept of superbrut, and actively pay more than a SMIC in taxes every year: you won't play that game with me. Va jouer, comm…

> They're employer _contributions_ to the system. Nice. Look, I had a great idea for 0% worker taxes in France. You just change all the taxes accounting to make the numbers look like you take them from the employee instead of the worker, and puff, magical 0% taxes! It's great, isn't it? > Now, there are ways to solve these expenses, they involve cutting all pensions. I'm sure you'll be okay with letting your parents,…

> I value my morning coffee more than your parents getting their retirement at 61 and receiving more - after taxes - than people that actually work to pay for their fantastic retiree life.

Yep, that's probably why my parents are unable to retire before 65, because they'd otherwise be under the poverty line. Both of them retiring with rather high physical damage from their career.

Fucking hell, you keep reading headlines halfway, misunderstand them and then badly apply them broadly to a situation you don't understand

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Post by forty »

Normal_gaussian wrote: post #24
forty wrote: post #15

Great, but why on GitHub? That doesn't seem very souverain to me

The project benefits from the visibilityband community of GitHub and GitHub is completely replaceable with European hosted or self-hostable options should something untoward happen.

I think you and other responders are missing the point. Yes GitHub gives visibility to the project and is easily replaceable. But putting projects on GitHub gives visibility to GitHub and reenforces the network effect and Microsoft leadership, making it harder for European alternative to emerge.

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Post by smartbit »

YousefED wrote: post #70

Great to see this on HN. fyi, La Suite is an umbrella project built by DINUM in France that started several years ago, mainly to enable people in the public administration to use more independent tools. It's built in-house, often on top of other open source technologies. E.g.: Matrix powers chat and LiveKit powers Visio (which was recently featured on HN as well when they announced it's rolled out to replace Zoom / T…

Last week’s presentation on Docs, bloknotejs & Yjs https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/DC97FQ-building_digit...

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

michelsedgh wrote: post #32
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The project benefits from the visibilityband community of GitHub and GitHub is completely replaceable with European hosted or self-hostable options should something untoward happen.

But they still chose an American company, github, lol ironic

> Yet they still participate in GitHub. Ironic! Lol.

Literally the "gotcha" fool from the Matt Bors cartoon: https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

Re: France's homegrown open source online office suite

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #267

The problem is that open-source projects funded by the taxpayer bring nothing long term to create companies that can compete or generate economic growth or develop future industries. They would be much better off creating a more business friendly environment and supporting private businesses through grants, procurements, etc the way the US are good at.

This comment misses the point and argues against something unrelated. It's fundamentally a data sovereignty and security move, not a commercial one.

It's neither pro or anti business. This or "creating a more business friendly environment" policies is a false dichotomy. That could be done too via other means. It is unrelated. Speaking about this "business friendly" only is either misdirection or myopic.

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Post by pqtyw »

well_ackshually wrote: post #295
pqtyw wrote: post #293

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> They're employer _contributions_ to the system No, they are the taxes you pay that are not shown on your payslip. > They're the price you pay for a healthy, well educated working population Yes, you as a worker pay it. > back into the salary should it go away It would be trivial for the government to make sure it does.

No, they're not. As a proof, should my employer stop paying them, _my wages will not rise to match what they stopped paying_. >It would be trivial for the government to make sure it does. Yes, and we assume a spherical cow in a vacuum, I know.

> Yes, and we assume a spherical cow in a vacuum, I know.

There are countries in Europe that have done exactly that recently.

Besides Denmark which doesn't have employee contributions in the same way and is transparent about the full amount of taxes you are actually paying. Are you claiming that showing that on the payslip is somehow depressing wages in Denmark?

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Post by pqtyw »

well_ackshually wrote: post #294
pqtyw wrote: post #292

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> even should you want to operate in incredibly bad faith and add employer contributions, How is that bad faith? It's basic common sense to count that together. Total cost is what matters to employers. You can't compare different countries either if you don't hacks like this that try to confuse the workers about how much they are paying. e.g. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Payroll_... taxes in De…

The subject is not employers, don't get sidetracked. I don't particularly give a shit about employer's costs either. The initial claim is "82% of wages go to taxes", which is inaccurate, a lie and a bad faith argument.

> I don't particularly give a shit about employer's costs either

So you don't care about the size of your salary? Fair enough...

It's all the same to them, whether the social insurance contributions are shown on your payslip or not is just an accounting detail. It's still a tax on labour and no different that the share you are paying.

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