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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by seabrookmx » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 7:04 PM UTC

MrDarcy wrote: post #268

goostavos wrote: post #228

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>software engineers today are 100x more productive Somebody needs to explain to my lying eyes where these 100xers are hiding. They seem to live in comments on the internet, but I'm not seeing the teams around me increase their output by two orders of magnitude.

They are the people who have the design sense of someone like Rob Pike but lack his coding skill. These people are now 100x more capable than they were previously.

Citation needed. For both the existence of said people (how do you develop said design sense without a ton of coding experience?) and that they are 100x more productive.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by xtracto » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 7:07 PM UTC

skybrian wrote: post #230

pragmatic wrote: post #221

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Now run that loop 1000 times. What does the code /system look like. It is going to be more like evolution (fit to environment) than engineering (fit to purpose). It will be fascinating to watch nonetheless.

Sure, if all you ask it to do is fix bugs. You can also ask it to work on code health things like better organization, better testing, finding interesting invariants and enforcing them, and so on. It's up to you what you want to prioritize.

I agree but want to interject that "code organization " won't matter for long.

Programming Languages were made for people. I'm old enough to have programmed in z80 and 8086 assembler. I've been through plenty of prog.langs. through my career.

But once building systems become prompting an agent to build a flow that reads these two types of excels, cleans them,filters them, merges them and outputs the result for the web (oh and make it interactive and highly available ) .

Code won't matter. You'll have other agents that check that the system is built right, you'll have agents that test the functionality and agents that ask and propose functionality and ideas.

Most likely the Programming language will become similar to the old Telegraph texts (telegrams) which were heavily optimized for word/token count. They will be optimized to be LLM grokable instead of human grokable.

Its going to be amazing.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by fauigerzigerk » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 7:08 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #303

nottorp wrote: post #256

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> In fact, LLMs will be better than humans in learning new frameworks. LLMs don't learn? The neural networks are trained just once before release and it's a -ing expensive process. Have you tried using one on your existing code base, which is basically a framework for whatever business problem you're solving? Did it figure it out automagically? They know react.js and nest.js and next.js and whatever.js because they h…

If its on github eventually it will cycle into the training data. I have also seen Claude pull down code to look at from github.

Wouldn't there be a chicken and egg problem once humans stop writing new code directly? Who would write the code using this new framework? Are the examples written by the creators of the framework enough to train an AI?

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by Centigonal » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 7:08 PM UTC

This is a wild take. Good frameworks come with clever, well-thought-out abstractions and defensive patterns for dealing with common problems experienced when working in the space the framework covers. frameworks are also often well-documented and well-supported by the community, creating common ways of doing things with well understood strengths and weaknesses.

In some cases, it's going to make sense to drop your dependency and have AI write that functionality inline, but the idea that the AI coding best practice is to drop all frameworks and build your own vibe-coded supplychain de novo for every product is ludicrous. At that point, we should just take out the middle man and just have the LLMs write machine code to fulfill our natural language product specs.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by kaydub » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 7:11 PM UTC

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

The hubris is with the devs that think like you actually.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by aogaili » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 7:13 PM UTC

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

What's makes you so sure of your statement?

I have be building systems for 20 years and I think the author is right.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by alainrk » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 7:14 PM UTC

3vidence wrote: post #206

Every day I feel closer to leaving this industry when I see articles like this. Is software even a real industry with patterns, safety, design, performance, review, etc. Or are we just a hype generating machine that's happy to ship the most broken stuff possible the fastest. Why do we have to constantly relearn the same lessons.

I suggest to read the full article :)

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by kaydub » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 7:14 PM UTC

seba_dos1 wrote: post #253

mark242 wrote: post #215

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I would argue that it's going to be the opposite. At re:Invent, one of the popular sessions was in creating a trio of SRE agents, one of which did nothing but read logs and report errors, one of which did analysis of the errors and triaged and proposed fixes, and one to do the work and submit PRs to your repo. Then, as part of the session, you would artificially introduce a bug into the system, then run into the bug…

> Unless you are only ever a single engineer, your career is filled with "I need to debug code I didn't write". That's the vast majority of my job and I've yet to find a way to have LLMs not be almost but not entirely useless at helping me with it. (also, it's filled with that even when you are a single engineer)

I hope you realize that means your position is in danger.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by qweiopqweiop » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 7:14 PM UTC

aggregator-ios wrote: post #210

I wanted to believe this article, but the writing is difficult to follow, and the thread even harder. My main issue is the contradiction about frameworks and using what the large tech companies have built vs real engineering. The author seems to think that coding agents and frameworks are mutually exclusive. The draw of Vercel/next.js/iOS/React/Firebase is allowing engineers to ship. You create a repo, point to it, a…

I was thinking the same. On mobile both frameworks and libraries make my life infinitely easier

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by kaydub » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 7:15 PM UTC

FeteCommuniste wrote: post #164

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

I don't think there's going to be any catastrophic collapse but I predict de-slopping will grow to occupy more and more developer time. Who knows, maybe soon enough we'll have specially trained de-slopper bots, too.

We already do. It's the same tool.