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Link with spyware removed: https://youtu.be/l4dCJJFuMsE
Spyware?
Not OP, but the "si" parameter in the URL is an individual tracking identifier, generated specifically for YouTube to see who you share the link with.
An Update on Heroku
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I'm just going to chime in here and say thank you, there still really isn't in my mind a comparable offering to heroku's git push and go straight to a reasonable production I honestly find it a bit nuts, there's offerings that come close, but using them I still get the impression that they've just not put in the time really refining that user interface, so I just wanted to say thank you for the work you and the GP di…
This! It absolutely boggles my mind that nothing else exists to fill this spot. Fly and others offer varying degrees of easier-than-AWS hosting, but nobody offers true PaaS like Heroku, IMHO.
Heroku and Ruby, for me, was the 21st century answer to 'deploying' a PHP site over FTP.
The fact that it required nothing but 'git push heroku master' at the time was incredible, especially for how easy it was to spin up pre-prod environments with it, and how wiring up a database was also trivial.
Every time I come across an infrastructure that is bloated out with k8s, helm charts, and a complex web of cloud resources, all for a service not even running at scale, I look back to the simplicity we used to have.
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#323For a little context. Salesforce changed their enterprise structure, effectively doubling their prices and my guess is many of their larger customers fled the platform. The enterprise pricing organized dynos into blocks and without notice they doubled the minimum block unit you could have. As a result, you ended up paying for dynos you weren't even using because they were now rounding up, sometimes by thousands of dollars worth of dyno blocks. So if you thought Heroku was expensive before, now it just didn't make any financial sense at all. For the other PaaS out there: don't do this.
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llIIllIIllIIl & runako give me an email on steven[at]build.io and I'll share. As mentioned, we stripped the site back while we overhaul and we certainly didn't expect this today!
To be clear, you just answered "Do you care to show prices?" with No.
You’re right - reading that back, it comes across as a “no,” and that wasn’t my intent.
We should show pricing, and we will. We temporarily stripped the site back while overhauling positioning and pricing, which is why it’s missing right now. That’s on us, not a stance against transparency.
In the meantime, I’m more than happy to share pricing directly.
At a high level on our pricing: - Current customers are on a mix of usage-based and fixed monthly plans, depending on their needs. We've found many of our customers love the fixed plan as it's a whole new level of predictability. - We’re generally architected to land well below Heroku’s Enterprise pricing and to be competitive with a IaaS. - We want pricing to get out of your way as you scale, so no big steps in pricing as you add services. - Databases are HA by default and support replication. - Pipelines and review apps don’t require hacks to avoid per-review-app database costs.
Happy to answer specifics here or over email if helpful.
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#326I've been using DigitalOcean App Platform for a while now. It's not a 1:1 Heroku replacement, but the git-based deploys, managed DBs, and ability to move to Droplets later without a big migration have worked very well for me.
Digital Ocean App Platform is great. We switched to it from Heroku in 2021. It had some growing pains to start, but has been rock solid since. I can only think of 1 downtime incident that was their fault. They continue to improve the platform too, and are VERY responsive to requests.
Re: An Update on Heroku
#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm just going to chime in here and say thank you, there still really isn't in my mind a comparable offering to heroku's git push and go straight to a reasonable production I honestly find it a bit nuts, there's offerings that come close, but using them I still get the impression that they've just not put in the time really refining that user interface, so I just wanted to say thank you for the work you and the GP di…
This! It absolutely boggles my mind that nothing else exists to fill this spot. Fly and others offer varying degrees of easier-than-AWS hosting, but nobody offers true PaaS like Heroku, IMHO.
I completely agree that there's nothing comparable to old-school Heroku, which is crazy. That said, Cloudflare seems promising for some types of projects and I use them for a few things. Anyone using them as a one-stop-shop?
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If any Heroku customer is reading this and not immediately going "we need to move off Heroku ASAP" all future problems are their own fault.
I get what you're saying but the onus is (and should) definitely be on the company to inform customers - and there's many laws to that effect.
What laws? As long as they fulfill Heroku fulfills the obligation in any contracts they have made, no law has been broken.
If you are paying month to month and actually check the Terms of Services of those services, most of them can shut down instantly without notice as long as they stop billing you.
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I remember Solomon's demoing at All Hands... it was such a crazy time for tech and innovation.
Oh hey Curt!! Remember, you are not a monitoring system :)
Haha, funny you should mention that as I was just telling a coworker that story as we worked on a new dashboard for our infrastructure. :D
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> people more concerned with process than results Sounds like something Steve Jobs observed at apple https://youtu.be/l4dCJJFuMsE?si=QOCBUqcUPWu8AsAX
Link with spyware removed: https://youtu.be/l4dCJJFuMsE
I feel as if youtube itself might still contain some tracking.
People recommend invidious and piped but they are starting to have issues.
This video is archived on wayback machine (archive.org) and I feel as if that might be the best way to watch this video right now.
https://web.archive.org/web/20260207024055/https://www.youtu...
Edit: I have also uploaded it on preservetube when I got interested in what are some wayback machine alternatives (given that wayback machine suggests to not upload videos given storage constraints unless absolutely necessary)
So I found preservetube which is sort of intended for this and uploaded this video on it