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My AI Adoption Journey

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Re: My AI Adoption Journey

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post #314

This was a great post, one of the best I've seen on this topic at HN. But why is the cost never discussed or disclosed in these conversations? I feel like I'm going crazy, there is so much written extolling the virtues of these tools but with no mention of what it costs to run them now. It will surely only get more expensive from here!

The current realistic lower bound for actual work is the $100/€90/month Claude Max ("5x") plan. It allows roughly enough usage for a typical working month (4.25 x 40-50h). "Single-threaded", interactive usage with normal human breaks, sort of.

There are two usage quota windows to be aware of: 5h and 7d. I use https://github.com/richhickson/claudecodeusage (Mac) to keep track of the status. It shows green/yellow/red and a percentage in the menu bar.

Re: My AI Adoption Journey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly, I cook as passion, and LLMs just routinely very clearly (weighted) "average" together different recipes to produce, in the worst case, disgusting monstrosities, or, in the best case, just a near-replica of some established site's recipe.

> ... some established site's recipe. At least with the LLM, you don't have to wade through paragraph after paragraph of "I remember playing in the back yard as a child, I would get hungry..." In fact LLMs write better and more interesting prose than the average recipe site.

It's not hard to scroll to the bottom of a page, IMO, but regardless, sites like you are mentioning have trash recipes in most cases.

I only go with resources where the text is actual documentation of their testing and/or the steps they've made, or other important details (e.g. SeriousEats, Whats Cooking America / America's Test Kitchen, AmazingRibs, Maangchi for Korean, vegrecipesofindia, Modernist series, etc) or look for someone with some credibility (e.g. Kenji Lopez, other chef on YouTube). In this case the text or surrounding content is valuable and should not be skipped. A plain recipe with no other details is generally only something an amateur would trust.

If you need a recipe, you don't know how to make it by definition, so you need more information to verify that the recipe is done soundly. There is also no reason to assume / trust that the LLMs summary / condensation of various recipes is good, because cooking isn't something where you can semantically condense or even mathematically combine various recipes together to get one good one. It just doesn't work like that, there is just one secret recipe that produces the best dish, and LLMs don't know how to judge quality of recipes, mostly.

I've never had an LLM produce something better or more trustworthy than any of those sites I mentioned, and have had it just make shit up when dealing with anything complicated (i.e. when trying to find the optimal ratio of starch to flour for Korean fried chicken, it just confidently claimed 50/50 is best, when this is obviously total trash to anyone who has done this).

The only time I've ever found LLMs useful for cooking is when I need to cook something obscure that only has information in a foreign language (e.g. icefish / noodlefish), or when I need to use it for search about something involving chemistry or technique (it once quickly found me a paper proving that baking soda can indeed be used to tenderize squid - but only after I prompted it further to get sources and go beyond its training data, because it first hallucinated some bullshit about baking soda only working on collagen or something, which is just not true at all).

So I would still never trust or use the quantities it gives me for any kind of cooking / dish without checking or having the sources, instead I would rely on my own knowledge and intuitions. This makes LLMs useless for recipes in about 99% of cases.

Re: My AI Adoption Journey

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I know I'm in the minority here, but I've been finding AI to be increasingly useless.

I'd already abandoned it for generating code, for all the reasons everyone knows, that don't need to be rehashed.

I was still in the camp of "It's a better google" and can save me time with research.

The issue it, at this point in my career (30+ years) the questions I have are a bit more nuanced and complex. They aren't things like "how do I make a form with React".

I'm working on developing a very high performance peer server that will need to scale up to hundreds of thousands to a million concurrent web socket connections to work as a signaling server for WebRTC connection negotiation.

I wanted to start as simple as possible, so peerjs is attractive. I asked the AI if peerjs peer-server would work with NodeJS's cluster server. It enthusiastically told me it would work just fine and was, in fact, designed for that.

I took a look at the source code, and it looked to me like that was dead wrong. The AI kept arguing with me before finally admitting it was completely wrong. A total waste of time.

Same results asking it how to remove Sophos from a Mac.

Same with legal questions about HOA laws, it just totally hallucinates things thay don't exist.

My wife and I used to use it to try to settle disagreements (i.e a better google) but amusingly we've both reached a place where we distrust anything it says so much, we're back to sending each other web articles :-)

I'm still pretty excited about the potential use of AI in elementary education, maybe through high school in some cases, but for my personal use, I've been reaching for it less and less.

Re: My AI Adoption Journey

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I don't understand how Agents make you feel productive. Single/Multiple agents reading specs, specs often produced with agents itself and iterated over time with human in the loop, a lot of reviewing of giant gibberish specs. Never had a clear spec in my life. Then all the dancing for this apperantly new paradigm, of not reviewing code but verifying behaviour, and so many other things. All of this to me is a total UN…

In my real life bubble, AI isn't a big deal either, at least for programmers. They tend to be very sceptical about it for many reasons, perceived productivity being only one of them. So, I guess it's much less of a thing than you would expect from media coverage and certain internet communities.

Re: My AI Adoption Journey

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post #314

This was a great post, one of the best I've seen on this topic at HN. But why is the cost never discussed or disclosed in these conversations? I feel like I'm going crazy, there is so much written extolling the virtues of these tools but with no mention of what it costs to run them now. It will surely only get more expensive from here!

Indeed, most of us are probably limited with what our companies let us use and also not to mention not everyone can afford to use AI tooling in their own time without thinking about the cost assuming you want to build something your company doesn't claim as their own IP.

Re: My AI Adoption Journey

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post #237

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> Never had a clear spec in my life. Just because you haven't or you work in a particular way, doesn't mean everyone does things the same way. Likewise, on your last point, just because someone is using AI in their work, doesn't mean they don't have hard skills and know-how. Author of this article Mitchell is a great example of that - someone who proved to be able to produce great software and, when talking about ind…

Never mentioned Mitchell I'm generally speaking, 95% of industry is not Mitchell

Well, you are commenting on a post he wrote.

Re: My AI Adoption Journey

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment by user senko [1] links to a post from this same author with an example for a specific coding session that costs $15.98 for 8 hours of work. The example in this post talks about leaving agents running overnight, in which case I'd guess "twice that amount" would be a reasonable approximation. Or if we assume that the OP can only do 4 hours per sitting (mentioned in the other post) and 8 hours of overnight…

>$15.98 * 1.5 * 20 = $497,40 a month Are people seriously dropping hundreds of dollars a month on these products to get their work done?

I am not really happy with thinking about what this does to small companies, hobbyists, open source programmers and so on, if it becomes a necessity to be competitive.

Especially since so many of those models have just freely ingested a whole bunch of open source software to be able to do what they do.

Re: My AI Adoption Journey

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post #314

This was a great post, one of the best I've seen on this topic at HN. But why is the cost never discussed or disclosed in these conversations? I feel like I'm going crazy, there is so much written extolling the virtues of these tools but with no mention of what it costs to run them now. It will surely only get more expensive from here!

Honestly, the costs are so minimal and vary wildly relative to the cost of a developer that it's frankly not worth the discussion...yet. The reality is the standard deviation of cost is going to oscillate until there is a common agreed upon way to use these tools.
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