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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Teams, Sharepoint, Exchange, and OneDrive seem to be connected by a maze of dark twisty integration passages which no single human has mapped fully.

Somewhere, in the deepest bowels, Skype still lives. I'm sure of it.

Lync is still there, lurking. With Communicator blocking every contact with the outside world. But eventually some message will pass through!

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Refreshing. No more Teams? Sounds like a dream... Of all the crapware I am forced to work with, Teams really pushes the envelope in every single negative way conceivable. I think I have more love for SharePoint than Teams, and that is a massive concession.

I couldn't agree more with this. Teams somehow managed to supercede my other microphone preferences when I'm not even using teams (took me a while to figure out). It might be one of the apps I detest the most. There is very little satisfaction with it and much annoyance.

Somehow, Teams overrides the volume controls on my Android phone. It's physically user-hostile.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Worth pointing out: France is not adopting existing open source software, they're building their own software and releasing it under the MIT licence. Most of it (or all of it?) is Django backend + React frontend (using a custom-built UI kit). Home page for the entire suite (in French) with some screenshots: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ Code bases are on GitHub and they use English there: https://github.com/suit…

Looking through the resources you've linked is one of the most hopeful and awesome software experiences I have had in a while. There's a chance to unlock tremendous value for society here. Imagine if you could fix all the awful bugs making video conferencing software shitty for you ! It's perhaps the most bug-plagued software out there in the world, with the highest number of complaints I have ever seen. We've had a…

Zoom isn't buggy I wouldn't say. It's really good.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Makes sense. This software dependency that Europe has on the USA is very, very bad - no just with regards to Zoom, but literally anything. The US corporations are forced by law to always prioritize whoever represents the current US government, and the current US government will remain hostile as long as it is in charge; but even afterwards it is quite logical to assume that any follow-up government will prioritize US…

France does everything right except produce much software. I'm sure it can copycat things pioneered by the US, and 20 years later, but that's not exactly difficult.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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As an American, this is awesome to see. We should pay penalties for our abandonment of good faith global engagement. And economic damage really is the key to the heart of these United States of Three Corporations in a Trench Coat. We’ve seen companies and CEOs paying millions in bribes to be close to the president. Now this aligns their financial interests with shifting our foreign policy. Not how it ought to work, b…

I think it’s also healthy overall for there to be multiple competitors in the market versus the tech monopolies we have now that have started abusing their customers.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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1) Most US citizens don't care for what's happening right now. That's why there's people protesting while armed in major cities. 2) Continental Europe has shown a willingness to continue dependency on other countries in the face of far, far worse national behavior. NordStream 2 planned after the invasion of Georgia and was still under construction after Putin had invaded and annexed Crimea. Not "threatened" to do so,…

note: the europeans didnt particularly mind maduro's kidnapping, and crimea isnt a part of the EU nor NATO. putin still has not gone to war, nor threatened to invade the EU yet to the point of international incident. the US has both sent politicians and other operators to try and fail at formenting rebellion in greenland against denmark, and has readied troops to invade

> putin still has not gone to war, nor threatened to invade the EU yet to the point of international incident.

Russian agents are thought to have committed numerous acts, almost all of which could be considered acts of war, on EU/UK soil, or against EU/UK nationals

* Poisoning of the Skripals with a chemical warfare agent, one dead, 2018, Salisbury, England, UK [0]

* Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko with a radioisotope, one dead, 2006, London, England, UK [1]

* Vrbětice ammunition warehouse explosions, one dead, 2014, Zlín Region, Czechia [2]

* Jamming of GPS signals used by EU President Ursula von der Leyen's jet, 2025, Bulgaria [3]

* Arson of the Marywilska 44 shopping center, 2024, Warsaw, Poland [4]

* Shooting down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 over the Donbas, 2014, 283 dead, most of them Netherlands citizens [5]

* Sabotage of underwater telecommunications cables, railway lines, cyberattacks, probing airspace with armed aircraft, and on and on - just Google it, I don't have enough time to mention all of these.

... you were saying?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Vrbětice_ammunition_wareh...

[3] https://apnews.com/article/russia-europe-jamming-spoofing-gp...

[4] https://notesfrompoland.com/2025/05/12/poland-confirms-russi...

[5] https://www.britannica.com/event/Malaysia-Airlines-flight-17

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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post #176

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What’s so bad about Teams that makes it so hated? I used it lately and often to work with a customer and I don’t find anything terrible about it, other than some minor usability annoyances like phantom chat notifications once in a while. But overall it does what it’s supposed to do, get on a video call, share your screen and share files over channels. The transcript feature seems to work well too. I’m not amazed by i…

"I don't have an issue with it" tells me you've never used anything else. Have you tried Slack? Zulip? Mattermost? Fucking... IRC from 1988? Teams isn't just mediocre, it's aggressively hostile to basic usability. The camera bar sits at the top of the window, directly blocking where you're supposed to position your camera for eye contact. Chat organisation is broken: you get duplicate groups because the order people…

Let's not forget how stupid the client on GNU/Linux was regarding audio devices. Every other app I had installed, that has anything to do with microphone (OBS, Audacity, Discord, Discord in Browser, Signal, ...) recognized my mic, which was connected via jack. Not MS Te-eams!!! Tada! Had to buy another headset with USB plug for Teams to get it.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Refreshing. No more Teams? Sounds like a dream... Of all the crapware I am forced to work with, Teams really pushes the envelope in every single negative way conceivable. I think I have more love for SharePoint than Teams, and that is a massive concession.

The Zen of Teams is that Teams is so clunky it cannot be Slack. Without threads, there is no breach of thread-etiquette. When "channels" are so awkward, nobody uses them. Then there is no constant deluge of middle-age folks creating a Facebook out of work, needing to be reminded that the photos channel is for business-photos, not pictures of their kids. When emoji support is limited, nobody has to police people pushi…

You can upload custom emoji to teams, most businesses just turn it off

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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> If Europe wants software sovereignty we don't need "significant large software companies" we need a hundred medium sized ones that reflect the diversity of the dozens of nations on the continent...Europe needs in fact to be more ambitious than to build its own Microsoft. We need a genuinely open ecosystem which is not going to have as its goal to extract value out of its users. Sure, but can you be honest and admit…

> Sure, but can you be honest and admit that you don't have any of this yet? Just to take a simple thing like messaging, Europeans mainly use WhatsApp Because it's very hard to compete against monopolies when there are network effects. What you can do is regulate them. The US government has been working very hard in the last decades to prevent that. Recommended: https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/#the-new-coalit…

"regulate them" has mostly translated to "tax the most successful players in the form of non-compliance fees from byzantine EU regulatory structures".

I don't think the thing holding back Europe's tech market is that the US encourages allies to not allow backdooring proprietary software, or the cries that it's unfair that the US doesn't strangle their own tech market with equally burdensome regulation. The problem Europe's tech industry has faced is that the EU killed it in the crib with regulations, and now there's more fear of "what if there are bad side effects in being successful" than there is fear of never being successful.

Yes, it'd be great if there was a thriving market of mid-sized EU tech companies working in a well-regulated and consumer friendly market. There just isn't, though. I'm generally a fan of Doctorow, but the idea that the EU is just a few hackers reverse-engineering a new client for teams/youtube/whatsapp away from that world is hard for me to see.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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post #176

Refreshing. No more Teams? Sounds like a dream... Of all the crapware I am forced to work with, Teams really pushes the envelope in every single negative way conceivable. I think I have more love for SharePoint than Teams, and that is a massive concession.

What’s so bad about Teams that makes it so hated? I used it lately and often to work with a customer and I don’t find anything terrible about it, other than some minor usability annoyances like phantom chat notifications once in a while. But overall it does what it’s supposed to do, get on a video call, share your screen and share files over channels. The transcript feature seems to work well too. I’m not amazed by i…

Another one for the pile. You can choose to open office documents in Teams directly, the browser, or in the native desktop app, but you can only set it to open by default in either Teams or browser. Why?
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