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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by dathinab »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #295

> They have also summoned billionaire owner Elon Musk for questioning. Good luck with that...

the thing is a lot of recent legal preceding surrounding X is about weather X fulfilled the legally required due diligence and if not what level of negligence we are speaking about

and the things about negligence which caused harm to humans (instead of e.g. just financial harm) is that

a) you can't opt out of responsibility, it doesn't matter what you put into your TOS or other contracts

b) executives which are found responsible for the negligent action of a company can be hold _personally_ liable

and independent of what X actually did Musk as highest level executive personal did

1) frequently did statements that imply gross negligence (to be clear that isn't necessary how X acted, which is the actual relevant part)

2) claimed that all major engineering decisions etc. are from him and no one else (because he love bragging about how good of an engineer he is)

This means summoning him for questioning is legally speaking a must have independent of weather you expect him to show up or not. And he probably should take it serious, even if that just means he also could send a different higher level executive from X instead.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by gf000 »

rvnx wrote: post #310
hiprob wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's legal to just put kids in foster care for no reason but to ruin someone's life?

In France it's possible without legal consequences (though immoral), if you call 119, you can push to have a baby taken from a family for no reason except that you do not like someone. Claim that you suspect there may be abuse, it will trigger a case for a "worrying situation". Then it's a procedural lottery: -> If you get lucky, they will investigate, meet the people, and dismiss the case. -> If you get unlucky, the…

I mean, that's surely not as simple as you make it out to be.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by xdennis »

verdverm wrote: post #123

France24 article on this: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260203-paris-prosecutor... lol, they summoned Elon for a hearing on 420 "Summons for voluntary interviews on April 20, 2026, in Paris have been sent to Mr. Elon Musk and Ms. Linda Yaccarino, in their capacity as de facto and de jure managers of the X platform at the time of the events,

> lol, they summoned Elon for a hearing on 420

No. It's 20 April in the rest of the world: 204.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by gruez »

knallfrosch wrote: post #318
gruez wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. >That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France. lawfare is... good now? Between Trump being hit with felony charges for falsifying business records (lawfare is good?) and Lisa Cook getting prosecuted for mortgage fraud (lawfare is bad?), I honestly lost track at this point. >The same way the president of…

fighter jets ARE a threat of violence, and it is widely understood and acknowledged. Again: the threat is so clear that you rarely have to execute on it.

>fighter jets ARE a threat of violence, and it is widely understood and acknowledged.

That's not a credible threat because there's approximately 0% chance France would actually follow through with it. Not even Trump would resort to murder to get rid of his domestic adversaries. As we seen the fed, the best he could muster are some spurious prosecutions. France murdering someone would put them on par with Russia or India.

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Post by antonymoose »

lawn wrote: post #48
antonymoose wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To my knowledge Musk asked to go but never actually went. Clinton, however, went a dozen or so times with Epstein on his private jet? Has the latest release changed that narrative?

Musk did ask to go after Epstein was sentenced.

I hate to be the “source” guy but can I get one?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

amelius wrote: post #287
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a perfect way for the legal head of the company in-country to visit some jails. They will explain that it was done remotely and whatnot but then the company will be closed in the country. Whether this matters for the mothership is another story.

Of course they will not lock the data but hide it, and put some redacted or otherwise innocent files in their place.

Nobody does that. It is either cooperation with law enforcement or remote lock (and then there are consequences for the in-country legal entity, probably not personally for the head but certainly for its existence).

This was a common action during the Russian invasion of Ukraine for companies that supported Ukraine and closed their operations in Russia.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by agoodusername63 »

rvnx wrote: post #310
hiprob wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's legal to just put kids in foster care for no reason but to ruin someone's life?

In France it's possible without legal consequences (though immoral), if you call 119, you can push to have a baby taken from a family for no reason except that you do not like someone. Claim that you suspect there may be abuse, it will trigger a case for a "worrying situation". Then it's a procedural lottery: -> If you get lucky, they will investigate, meet the people, and dismiss the case. -> If you get unlucky, the…

I can't believe theres a country out there that has recreated the DMCA but for child welfare
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