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Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by ozgung »

quotemstr wrote: post #171
mjevans wrote: post #6

I'm fine with this, as long as they DO NOT require any form of ID or 'age' verification. Instead this should be attacked from the profit side, by banning any form of advertising which might target children. If there's no profit to be made in servicing said demographic and a law requesting at least end user 'agreement' that they are an adult, this should be sufficient.

You can tell these proposals are made in bad faith because we can do age verification in an anonymous way using zero-knowledge proofs but regulators demand linkable IDs instead. It's not about protecting the kids. It's about managing the public's information diet. The latter is not a legitimate function of any state.

The goal is to ban anonymous internet for everyone. You won't be able to post anything without verifying your id. All these similar efforts in different countries seem coordinated and synchronous, suddenly after 35 years since the advent of the web.

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

verdverm wrote: post #290
rhines wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What matters is content, not communication. They could build a platform to chat with each other, but they could just use WhatsApp or text or email for that. But they can't build a platform with an infinite stream of targeted content (until AI generates content I guess).

I hear parents of young children are already sitting their children down in front of AI generated children's content on YouTube

Please show us the channels with the views

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Post by collingreen »

heavyset_go wrote: post #317
Aeglaecia wrote: post #309

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I think it sounds more like "why is the town square covered in ads now , who installed actual mantraps in the town square , why is everything we do in the town square used against us , town squares were fine less than two decades ago and we let the rich parasitize them for profit"

Except you're doing nothing about that besides going "let's keep the town square terrible" and ensuring kids are 100% unprepared for the way the modern world communicates in the 21st century lol

Which part is "keep the town square terrible"?

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Post by thijson »

bamboozled wrote: post #23
bluescrn wrote: post #18

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IMHO the main point of these schemes is to make it hard for adults to use social media somewhat-anonyously. So the government can more easily identify those posting 'prohibited speech'. If there was a legitimate drive to protect kids from the worst of the Internet, there'd have been more of a crackdown on porn, gore, etc long before social media became such a big problem. And smartphones would have never been allowed…

What major revolutions or important political shifts have occurred from people anonymously shitposting on Reddit or Facebook ?

I know of one crowd sourced witch hunt on reddit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Sunil_Tripathi

A lot of the cancel culture is also crowd sourced on platforms like these.

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Post by int_19h »

Arainach wrote: post #255
shevy-java wrote: post #245

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phpBB was quite nice, but you must remember that people used phpBB less and less over the years. Many phpBB style webforums are dead, and died before discourse etc... came about. People's habits changed. I do agree that things got worse in the last ~16 years or so.

The legal landscape has also changed. 20 years ago I helped run a web forum, but with today's legal landscape - DMCA in the US, various different laws in the EU and other countries - I would never do so. The amount of liability on the host for user-created content is far too high.

DMCA was already a thing 20 years ago?

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Post by Abekkus »

mike_hearn wrote: post #208
baq wrote: post #195

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Yes, but most importantly I need to manage my children’s devices; it cannot be opt in and it mustn’t be possible to disable without me approving. Screen time is too easy for kids to work around as is. I also need in-app content type filtering (eg. no shorts, no music videos on music streaming apps) and literally no one is providing such options, not to mention it should be managed in screen time, too. Parental contro…

So buy an Android: https://families.google/intl/my/familylink/

family link is not enough, try disabling gemini and news access with it, and you cannot block shorts

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Post by Gigachad »

bluescrn wrote: post #18
digiown wrote: post #11

I secretly wish it would use a verification scheme that's so invasive/annoying, that even adults would stop using it anyway.

IMHO the main point of these schemes is to make it hard for adults to use social media somewhat-anonyously. So the government can more easily identify those posting 'prohibited speech'. If there was a legitimate drive to protect kids from the worst of the Internet, there'd have been more of a crackdown on porn, gore, etc long before social media became such a big problem. And smartphones would have never been allowed…

Gore already has been cracked down on. All the old gore sites like Live leak have shut down, Reddit has removed all the related subreddits, and governments quickly scrub the internet of videos like the New Zealand shooting.

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Post by Bender »

embedding-shape wrote: post #258
SauntSolaire wrote: post #221

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Agreed. I wish they would consider charging a small fee (~$1) to create an account. That alone would cut down on all the AI spam and give subreddit moderators a fighting chance.

> give subreddit moderators a fighting chance Moderators are part of the problem really, there are a handful of moderators holding the reins over all the popular subreddits, and "smaller" (even big ones) subreddits suffer from the same problem. As an example, r/MistralAI, r/LocalLLaMA, r/ChatGPT, r/OpenAI and r/grok are all run by the same person. The only survivable places on reddit left are the subreddits with smal…

Here's one of 'em [1]

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E36G9QOolxk [video][12 mins]

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #179
Aurornis wrote: post #163

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> That may not be a big deal on a gardening subreddit, I had to abandon my last few hobby subreddits because there were a few chronically online people who had to control the conversation in every single post with their opinions. If anyone didn't agree, their comments would mysteriously go to -3 or below within 30 minutes of posting. It's all little fiefdoms for chronically online people now.

What are your thoughts on lemmy, maybe the hobby can be extremely niche but you can even be the moderator yourself on a lemmy instance and I think that a federated reddit alternative would be nice too! If I may ask, what are the hobbies that you are talking about?

>What are your thoughts on lemmy,

I was hopeful when I found out about it...

The trouble I think, going forward, is that no matter how good the technology of a new forum might be, everyone is primed and ready to flock to it. How could anything be good if the same 500,000 redditors that turned it into shit show up the first week? Worse, even if they don't, there are all sorts of crackpots who try to preempt by colonizing new ones early hoping that they can sway the thing once it gets big (Lemmy and the commies).

This is Eternal September.

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