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Re: European Alternatives

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Post by MrDresden »

lmf4lol wrote: post #192
skrebbel wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You simply don’t need such inflated salaries if schools are free, roads are not broken, trains exist, healthcare is affordable, grocery stores are in biking distance, parks are good and free and plenty, labor laws are in your favour, utilities markets mostly aren’t dysfunctional and a 2-bedroom apartment doesn't cost $10000/m. Americans compare their salaries to European ones but never stop to imagine the insane high…

True. But the systems are more and more breaking down. Its unsustainable. At least what I can tell from Germany and the Netherlands. to see a healthcare specialist, you wait 3-6months in some cases. Not talking about the trains. Germany DB runs on time in only 50% of the cases. So thats a big problem

My partner has had three extensive cancer treatments in the Netherlands. She has had dietary and psychological specialists help her during and after each one.

All of this was just on normal health insurance and with normal clinics and hospitals.

Never did she have to wait more than perhaps 3 weeks tops for an appointment.

The medical system here is world class.

However Germany and it's infrastructure can not be compared to the Netherlands. I refuse to take trains through that country anymore.

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Post by bdangubic »

direwolf20 wrote: post #259
nickdothutton wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a happy customer of Hetzner, but AWS revenues are 440x theirs. Not much of a castle.

Why do you want to be a customer of a company with extreme revenue? That only means you'll pay too much money.

I am a customer of Walmart and Costco, both with extreme revenue and both saving me loads of money

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by rhubarbtree »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #256

What are some non-subjective reasons to use Euro alternatives? It reminds me of startup founders having to choose between the big expensive service or their buddy’s startup that intends to serve the same use case.

America could feasibly use cloud and other service provision as an economic weapon. Your company could die as a result.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by rhubarbtree »

gtirloni wrote: post #49

This is nice but if Europe doesn't fix their tech salaries situation (half US' in most cases, if not lower), I don't think it's sustainable.

Not true. Plenty of European products are better. Consumer example: Spotify is better than Apple Music. Business example: Attio is better than every American CRM at SME/early stage startup stage.

Biggest problem has been talent going to US.

This problem is rapidly being solved by the US government.

The startup I work for was planning to raise next round in the US. This will not happen as the CEO refuses to travel to the US.

It’s the best time to build in the EU or UK there has ever been. I don’t expect America to pull out of this nose dive. The future of western software is in europe now, and globally I expect China to be the lead beginning with AI.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by throwaway5465 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #203
202508042147 wrote: post #166

Doing my bit: migrating my small company's db this weekend from AWS RDS to Hetzner VPS + volumes. Fingers crossed! Already done: replaced SendGrid with Sweego. Later: move domains from US registrar to EU based. The difficult bit is the Microsoft Office because we are also using Azure DevOps for code, tickets, wiki and ci/cd.

What EU based registrars would you recommend?

netim.com

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by badsectoracula »

mschae23 wrote: post #198
j1elo wrote: post #171

Does this hook up with promotion of the EUPL [1] as a preferred license for software? Does it even make more sense for european FOSS authors over the GPL family? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Public_Licence

The EUPL is a fine license, especially if your goal is wide compatibility with other copyleft licenses. However, that compatibility also weakens its own copyleft, which could be surprising if you just read the main text. Also, the GPL is not as short and has more explicit wording for how it behaves in common situations (like the P2P copying stuff, for example), and it allows certain additional restrictions and except…

> However, that compatibility also weakens its own copyleft

Keep in mind that within EU the GPL's copyleft is as strong as EUPL's or LGPL while at the same time EUPL takes into account network access like AGPL. In practice though, software is distributed outside of the EU and while GPL relies on local laws to "maximize" its copyleftness, EUPL specifically refers to either the EU country of the developer or Belgium if the developers from outside the EU, where the laws do not distinguish between static or dynamic linking (check "More details on the case of linking" from [0] about license compatibility). Also FWIW while FSF suggests that "license hopping" (i.e. changing to some compatible licenses from EUPL to something else) weakens the copyleft, a European Commision lawyer who worked on EUPL has commented doing so would be copyright infringement because the purpose of the compatibility list in EUPL is for interoperability (so that multiple projects with different licenses can coexist) and the purpose would matter in court.

Though in practice since software is often distributed outside of EU, e.g. to US where (it seems) such distinction does exist, people do respect (L)GPL's dynamic vs static linking requirements and from a worldwide perspective EUPL is something like LGPL with a dash of AGPL (making some program functionality available even remotely is considered as distribution). Or in other words, EUPL is basically AGPL within the limitations of EU law.

[0] https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/eupl/li...

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by progbits »

wolvoleo wrote: post #211
toomuchtodo wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What EU based registrars would you recommend?

For me personally, one that's well supported by DNS-01 providers for let's encrypt. Unfortunately there's not that many and often the process is broken.

What does that have to do with registrar?

You are talking about DNS zone hosting which can be separate. And I always prefer to keep it that way.

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